YouTube is now feeding me tons of P320 UD videos. One gave a list of 4 things which seem to result in repeatable failures. One of those items is an external safety. Another was swapping a part from another model (trigger bar?). None of those apply to my 320.

A second video purported to be of a UD when the slide was racked, but the angle of the video did not show the trigger area, and the person could have easily tripped the trigger with their support hand. In fact, I suspect it was intentionally so.

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Originally posted by thumperfbc:

Where do I go to buy a deeply discounted 320 that people can't wait to get rid of?

This whole Sig P320 fiasco has got to be devastating for a lot of Sig fans. Many have invested thousands of dollars into the platform. Some P320 owners even upgraded to the more expensive Legion models that come with a membership card, premium zippered pistol rug and pistol matched challenge coin. They also got exclusive access to gear and merchandise and lots of other perks like 5% off rooms at participating Motel 6 locations across the country. Finding out that it has serious safety flaws has got to be a real punch in the gut.

I’m skeptical of the UD issue, but Sig would be better off if they’d just go over the design, make damn sure that there’s nothing wrong, redesign it if necessary, add a trigger bar safety and call it new and improved.
Wrong or right, nothing good will come of them keeping their head in the sand.

Flysig,
Can you post the link regarding the external safety? There is a list of four items from Grey Gun on a Reddit post, but nothing mentioning the external safety.

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Originally posted by anothercuervo:
Flysig,
Can you post the link regarding the external safety? There is a list of four items from Grey Gun on a Reddit post, but nothing mentioning the external safety.

The video I recall was referencing the Grayguns video, which I haven't seen. I can't find the one mentioning a manual safety as a factor, and now that I reviewed a couple videos perhaps I misspoke and the comment was regarding the takedown lever during reassembly. One of the videos was demonstrating the manual safety, but I can't find it in my history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIhVlXJVj-w

Beginning of the Video is GreyGuns.

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
I’m skeptical of the UD issue, but Sig would be better off if they’d just go over the design, make damn sure that there’s nothing wrong, redesign it if necessary, add a trigger bar safety and call it new and improved.
Wrong or right, nothing good will come of them keeping their head in the sand.

Whether you're sceptical or not, THERE IS a problem with the Sig 320's.
*If the Sig Sauer P-320's have unintentional discharges or go off uncommanded, or not, is one issue.
*Is Sig Sauer going to admit that there is a problem is another issue.
Go over the past 30 or so pages on this thread, and multiply that by whatever number of gun owners are out there, subtract that by how many Sig 320's were produced, divide by 2, then depending on if it's a full moon and which way the wind is blowing, that's about how to tell how many people are going to support Sig Sauer in the future.
*If Sig Sauer is going to be able to come out from under this is another issue.

I've heard from friends and people I respect, Both in person and here on SIG Forum anything from
"I'll gladly purchase another 320!"
to
"Sig is dead to me! They and their guns can kiss my ass!"
And everything in-between.

In this "Legal" age, Let's say Sig goes over the design and finds "OOPS! Zer is zee issue!"
Would that be admitting that something was wrong and their fault? Therefore opening themselves up to a ton of legal and liable asspain?

Or just "let's just scratch the whole 320 thing (No man, this REALLY ends here!), this is a losing battle, Here's the Sig Sauer P-WHATEVER!" No "New and improved" anything, just forget all of this bad stuff ever happened. And keep on keepin on from that point.

Does Sig Sauer want those legal issues? How can they (quickly) come back from this rather large ding to their corporate image of producing quality and reliable weapons?

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
In this "Legal" age, Let's say Sig goes over the design and finds "OOPS! Zer is zee issue!"
Would that be admitting that something was wrong and their fault? Therefore opening themselves up to a ton of legal and liable asspain?

Maybe, but (so far) they’ve avoided liability for deaths. They may also be able to prevail in the AIWB death since it was unwitnessed and his shirt or something else might have gotten into the trigger guard. If a future body cam/security cam incident results in death, it could cost them a lot more.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
Army’s Sig P320 Derived Pistols Will Remain Unchanged After Concerning FBI Report
Jul 17, 2025 1:56 PM EDT

https://www.twz.com/land/army-...oncerning-fbi-report

The TWZ article is quite long and much of the info re: the FBI-BRF testing/report has been discussed ad nauseam already so I'm not quoting the complete article here, BUT the following seems to have not been widely reported, if at all:

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In addition, Sig Sauer claims that it engaged with the FBI in relation to the August 2024 report and its findings, and that subsequent testing was conducted that contradicts the initial results.

“The test conducted by the FBI-BRF was made aware to Sig Sauer when it was submitted to the Michigan State Police,” Jason St. John, senior director of strategic products for the company’s Defense Strategies Group, told TWZ. “Sig Sauer expressed concerns with the FBI’s initial report about how some of the tests were conducted.”

“Specifically, Sig explained that forcing the sear downward with a punch was moving the trigger bar forward and, as a result, the trigger to the rear since the sear is in constant contact with the trigger bar,” he continued. “Sig expressed that this was not a proper representation of the striker slipping off of the sear’s primary notch from a parallel/grip-down drop. Sig also noted that the FBI’s concern of the striker safety spring movement on the striker assembly post after getting hit with a hammer was unwarranted due to the viewing window that was cut into the slide that sacrificed the sidewall support of the striker safety spring.”

“After the initial report was submitted, Sig Sauer and its engineers worked in cooperation with the FBI and Michigan State Police to design a fixture that all agreed would create a more controlled testing protocol for striker/sear slippage,” St. John added. “Using that fixture, the FBI forced the sear off of the primary notch 565 times with 19EA different striker assemblies with zero indents on the primer (no fires).”

TWZ has reached out to the FBI for more details about the results of this additional testing.

Sig’s St. John also told us that the company has no plans to take further actions regarding the P320 based on the initial BRF report on the MSP incident last year.

“Sig Sauer continues to have full faith in the P320,” he said. “Due to the FBI manually manipulating the P320 sear improperly, Sig Sauer refutes the initial results.”

Honestly, I haven't seen anything other than 'SIG declined to participate in the evaluation with the FBI' on this, perhaps because it doesn't support the agenda of the 'click whores' posting all over the internet!

Thanks for that post. I had not seen that information yet. And I agree...the Internet is more than willing to share stuff that supports one side of this while ignoring the rest of the information. I wish Sig was more forthcoming and transparent with the facts behind their investigations like this one, and released it up front, rather than just leaving it out there for bits and pieces to get discovered released without the full context. Maybe if their social media people were more focused on facts than inflammatory legal statements, they wouldn't be in as much of a mess as they are.

In the modern world it might not matter one single iota if Sig was right the whole time. Once the mass of media, especially social media, gets behind something the facts just don’t seem to matter anymore.

I’m pretty sure of 2 things. The 320 isn’t just going off. And the wlm holster style, especially safari land styles, suck. When you build a holster that has limited coverage over the trigger guard area then you are by definition defeating one of the primary purposes of your holster.

I own exactly one (1) wml safariland holster. Great holster. 6xxx series I believe, fabric wrapped, outstanding in every way but one. To allow the light into the holster you literally have massive gaps at the trigger guard. Mine is for a Glock19 with an x300 light. Pretty big gap. I tried to sell the holster and would never buy another. It’s a bad design. IMO.

So bad designed holsters and no they just aren’t going off. The tortured nature of the “testing” required to recreate an ND is telling. The fact that they (anybody) aren’t really being transparent is telling. Saying Sig declined to participate then reading this is 100% at odds with each other.

All that to say the 320 is effectively dead to the market. Sig is just being slow to acknowledge that.

And yet, Glocks aren’t just going off in Safariland WML duty holsters.

What I find interesting, is how the p320 is discharging in modern-day kydex holsters. Kydex holsters gained success to replace the standard leather holster, which had an ability to deform and discharge pistols without safeties and short trigger pulls, ike Glocks. The whole point of their (kydex) existence is to prevent safety-less pistols from discharging. If the P320's discharge events occur in kydex holsters designed to prevent such incidents, just imagine if P320s were the new plastic fantastic in the 80s being shoved into leather holsters.

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Originally posted by Vgex:
If the P320's discharge events occur in kydex holsters designed to prevent such incidents, just imagine if P320s were the new plastic fantastic in the 80s being shoved into leather holsters.

The frequency of UD/ND/ADs would have been worse for sure; however, one big difference between now and say 10+ years ago is the ubiquity of weapon mounted lights. A Kydex holster works best when it clicks against the trigger guard. A holster for a gun w/ WML clicks against the WML. This requires a bigger opening. A bigger opening & void space around the trigger guard creates a greater risk of unwanted objects entering the holster and pulling the trigger. I don't want to imply the greater risk is dramatic, but it's not insignificant either.

I read a report a while ago about a school resource officers P320 going off. He had a mounted weapon light, with a huge gap around the trigger guard, and a kindergartner stuck his finger in the holster and pulled the trigger.

This is what is happening all around the country. The huge gaps in the Safariland and other brand holsters is allowing shirts, keys, foreign objects, to press the trigger.

A pistol should not be blamed for a defective holster design. Period.

Sucks for Sig to have to go through this in the modern internet world. Glock had its problems 25 plus years ago (before the mass hysteria internet era) and carrying a Glock almost certainly meant a case of "Glock leg" where you accidentally shot yourself. That was because cops were used to double/single action guns with a 10-12 pound initial trigger. They were used to having their finger on the trigger. That kind of training, or lack thereof, is incompatible with a striker fired pistol.

Sig was REALLY FUCKING STUPID to be invited to the initial FBI test, and to not attend. Now they are in full damage control because their engineers were not there to refute the improper testing jig/method. As indicated in the second FBI test above, the gun never did go off after over 500 attempts to drop the sear with a new more realistic testing jig.

My point was that holsters with wml leave a large gap. They all do. Safariland I mentioned because I own lots of them and they seem to be the most popular cop holster.

Has anyone seen reports of non wml holsters that are quality having these issues? The ones I’ve seen all tended to be wml holsters. I certainly have not been tracking it though.

I just pulled out my Safariland 6354DO (hard to read but I think that is correct) holster. When my G19 is holstered I can easily, and I can’t stress how easy I am trying to convey, easily put my finger directly on the trigger from either side.

If I had known that going in I would never have bought this holster. I have never used it with live ammo, that is how poor I believe it to be. I wasted a hundred plus bucks for a design that is a ND waiting to happen.

This is my only wml holster because after buying this one I was gun shy to try another.

Horribly unsafe design by perhaps the preeminent holster maker for serious use.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
Army’s Sig P320 Derived Pistols Will Remain Unchanged After Concerning FBI Report
Jul 17, 2025 1:56 PM EDT

https://www.twz.com/land/army-...oncerning-fbi-report

This article leaves out the part of the FBI testing where the FBI was able to use two different keys (presumably the same kind the MSP officer had in his hands) to get the holster gun to fire and those keys made similar abrasions to the tigger guard in close proximity to the preexisting abrasions on that trigger guard.

Then we have the video of one officer’s keys dropping into another officer’s holster and that officer’s gun fires.

And the video of the one officer removing her backpack carried over her right shoulder over her holstered gun and that gun goes off. It’s not inconceivable a loose strap and buckle from her backpack worked its way into her holster.

The reason you don’t see this with Glocks is the dingus. Stuff dropping into a holster Glock doesn’t get a good purchase on the dingus.

I’d like to see all these influencers test that out on both firearms.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:Has anyone seen reports of non wml holsters that are quality having these issues? The ones I’ve seen all tended to be wml holsters. I certainly have not been tracking it though.

That's why I posted that it would be handy if a spreadsheet documenting pistol, caliber, holster and light existed. My XTEN in a Safariland 7377 (no light) fits with very little space along the trigger guard. No way a finger or backpack strap would fit. You can angle a key in there if you come in from underneath and outside and then exert pressure to pull the trigger, but I don't see that happening without deliberate action. If there was clearance for a WML, it would be a different story.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
My point was that holsters with wml leave a large gap. They all do. Safariland I mentioned because I own lots of them and they seem to be the most popular cop holster.

Has anyone seen reports of non wml holsters that are quality having these issues? The ones I’ve seen all tended to be wml holsters. I certainly have not been tracking it though.

I just pulled out my Safariland 6354DO (hard to read but I think that is correct) holster. When my G19 is holstered I can easily, and I can’t stress how easy I am trying to convey, easily put my finger directly on the trigger from either side.

If I had known that going in I would never have bought this holster. I have never used it with live ammo, that is how poor I believe it to be. I wasted a hundred plus bucks for a design that is a ND waiting to happen.

This is my only wml holster because after buying this one I was gun shy to try another.

Horribly unsafe design by perhaps the preeminent holster maker for serious use.

Good luck trying to get a finger into a holster weapon in a Safariland 7365 holster. Very very small space between the weapon and the wall of the holster. Mine is for a Gen5 MOS Glock 17 w/ a Trijicon SRO and a mounted Streamlight TLR-1HL.

I take it back then. The very expensive Safariland holster I own has a, no shit, finger sized gap on either side of the trigger guard. It is for a X300. I can literally look at the trigger dingus from the side and then pull the trigger, while holstered. It is an accident waiting to happen and honestly Safariland should be ashamed they sent out that version. I thought they all had a bunch of space to let the light get past the trigger guard area, glad to hear there are some good ones.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I take it back then.

"Yeah, pedropcola, takin' it back over there."