99% of the time any season I am carrying either a P2000 or a P2000sk with a 2000 13 round mag.

My dirty secret though is most of the time the “full size” P2000 is GASP!!!! A .40!!!! Cats and dogs living together mass hysteria!!! The FBI says I’m wrong the gun verse says my gun will only last six or eight shots and the ferocious recoil will mean follow up shots have to be scheduled in Outlook……..but I persevere.

I will say the Hellcat Pro has my interest. It’s a pretty nice “package” if you will. It’s only about the size of a Walther PPS with a 7 round mag and holds a hell of a lot more ammo. Again that ammo means weight but if I were to run out this hot second and impulse buy one of these it would probably be that one.

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Originally posted by cslinger:
That being said even if there is little care of printing there is something to be said for less bulk and less weight 16,17, 18……. A half a box of ammo does get a little heavy.

Ounces become pounds. Pounds become pain.

I'm still an active guy. The difference between 1.0-1.5 lbs attached to one side of your belt is significant when you have to run or jump over something.

There's a very remote chance I'll need to draw my CCW in a SD situation. There's a 100% chance I have to deal w/ the inconveniences of carrying every time I carry. IOW, for me, my carrying preferences outweigh my shooting preferences.

Oh, Hell. I carry a G19 and 29 rounds of ammunition, and a G42 in an ankle holster, loaded with seven rounds of .380.

You know the saying: Being armed is not supposed to be comfortable. Being armed is supposed to be comforting.

There was a time not too long ago when I contemplated strapping a 33 round magazine to my right leg.

I'm back to carrying my G33 more over my P365 lately. They both have their place in the lineup still though.

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larger capacity micro 9's

Aren't those subcompacts? To me, Glock 19-sized guns are compacts, smaller are subs.

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Aren't those subcompacts?

Semantics aside not really. A 365/Hellcat/Shield are all markedly smaller in use than a G26 blah blah.

A SIG Macro / Hellcat Pro etc. are markedly smaller in feel than a G19 etc. The SIG macro is a good example by the “numbers” it seems like a big gun (so to speak) when in practice it’s shockingly small for its capacity.

Most of these seem to be basically single stack mid to full size guns that are both much lighter and hold duty amounts of ammo.

Now all that said what I wrestle with is do they really “matter” so to speak. I have no issues with a G19 sized platform and those are easier to shoot, especially for a new shooter. By matter I don’t mean not good or don’t fill a niche etc. just how much difference is there really vs a G26 or G19 esque gun? I very rarely carry a Walther PPS and its slimness is noticeable but is it a MASSIVE difference??? I dunno, not really. I still find myself wanting a “PPS” that holds 12-15 rounds because…….well marketing works and I am a gun geek. That said if I could only have ONE gun it wouldn’t be one of this ultra thin/small guns even if the “numbers” make sense. A true “G19 sized” compact is easier to shoot, more fun to shoot and may be more durable in the long run.

Here’s how I’ve defined them:

Compact - Glock 19 and other similar guns that are essentially chopped versions of their full-size counterparts. (G19 from G17, P228 from P226, etc.)

Subcompact - Glock 26 and other similar guns that are essentially chopped versions of the Compact guns above. (G26 from G19, P2000SK from P2000, etc.)

Micro - Glock 43 and other similar guns that are comparable in overall footprint to the Subcompact guns above, but have single-stack (or almost) magazines. These guns also tend to exhibit more variation in overall size and capacity (in comparison to Subcompact guns) because they are usually unique standalone designs (rather than chopped derivatives) and their slimness, low weight, and unique magazines allow for more flexibility. (G43, G43X, P365, P365X, Hellcat, Shield, LCP, etc.)

”Big” Micro - Glock 48 and other similar guns that are essentially enlarged versions of the Micro guns above, with improved sight radius, capacity, and ergonomics. Their overall footprint is actually comparable to the Compact guns above, but with drastically reduced weight. (G48, P365XL, Hellcat Pro, Equalizer, etc.)

I don’t think the Compact and Subcompact guns have been made obsolete. They are certainly less popular these days, but they offer a few advantages over the Micro and Big Micro guns. For example, they can accept the magazines of their larger counterparts; The G19 can use G17 magazines and the G26 can use G19 and G17 magazines. The G43 cannot use G48 magazines. They are also arguably more durable and robust because of their full-size service pistol origins. The Compact guns are actually seriously viable service pistols in their own right. In contrast, I don’t think you’ll ever see a Navy Seal being issued a P365. So even if the Compact guns have become less popular for carry, they will remain popular for other roles that Micro and Big Micro guns won’t be able to fill.

The Micro guns are also small and thin enough that they won’t be a good fit for some. For example, I don’t like the grip of the P365. It is too small in every dimension. The G43X is much better for me, but my G26 with the factory 12-round magazine (no pinky hanging off) is even better than that. I’m sure there are many others who would feel the same.

When are they coming out with the sub-micro compact?

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Originally posted by 12131:
When are they coming out with the sub-micro compact?

https://youtu.be/THsDpGJcpk8?si=g6SDOnqGi3_OZ-8_

I just can’t seem to get a consistent grip on the draw though.

^^^ Perfect for the keychain.

Not exactly keychain, but there is this option.

https://trailblazerfirearms.com/shop/lifecard/

Compact and micro? Both have their own set of pros and cons. Most micros are typically more comfortable to carry than compacts making them a good choice for those who want to carry a gun without drawing attention to themselves especially in non permissive environments. However, Most Compact handguns tend to have better accuracy and handling ergo’s than micro models.

So, which is the better option? It really depends on your individual needs and preferences. If you want a gun that you can easily conceal, a micro might be the way to go. If you prioritize accuracy and handling, then a compact is probably a better choice. Ultimately, the answer to this question largely depends on the situation in which you might find yourself? If you are in a close-quarters situation, both models are easy to maneuver. If you are in a situation where accuracy & handling are more important, then a compact handgun might be the better choice. Personally. I shoot very few micro pistols at reasonably defensive distances better than compact pistols. The exception being the P365 X Macro which stretches the size limits of micro sized pistols. So no. Compacts are not obsolete.

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Are we going to see a name change? Sigforum seems obsolete.

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The Micro guns are also small and thin enough that they won’t be a good fit for some. For example, I don’t like the grip of the P365. It is too small in every dimension. The G43X is much better for me, but my G26 with the factory 12-round magazine (no pinky hanging off) is even better than that. I’m sure there are many others who would feel the same.

I'm in this boat.

First time I shot a 365 I actually asked my friend if his sights were off.
For me, the micros require more effort to shoot fast and accurately and are a little unforgiving in the trigger control department.
I really want to like the 365 and similar sized pistols, but the Glock 26 and M&P Shield are about as small as I can go.

Yes, there is such a thing as too compact. I can't control a P365 worth a damn. The G26, though- it's like dancing with an old flame.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I'll take a G26 over a P365 any day.

Agreed…all day, every day!

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Originally posted by ACP1:
Are we going to see a name change? Sigforum seems obsolete.

I wish "Glockforum.com" also directed you to here.

I also don't like the width of the micro/macro compacts just a wee small for me.

The subcompacts feel pretty bout as small as usable for my grip.

Obsolete can often mean very little in real world practical terms.

Take for example any handgun without a red dot optic plate could be arguably "Obsolete", on the other hand these same non-red dot ready Handguns could be very effective in the right hands.

More often than not, I'm carrying a P365 X-Macro.
Damn thing holds 17+1 in a thinner/smaller package than any of the old standards (G19/P320/etc..)

I haven't carried one of my "subcompacts" in a long while as they are fatter... and hold fewer rounds.
(12 rounds in the p320 subcompact for example)

Edit to add:
I also sometimes carry a p365 on the ankle - and it can share mags with the xmacro.
Extra bonus feature IMO

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Originally posted by ACP1:
Are we going to see a name change? Sigforum seems obsolete.

I wish "Glockforum.com" also directed you to here.

Would you two guys please share with us your experience in building a gun forum over the years and maintaining its content? Additionally, please share with us your opinions on the pros/cons of restricting discussion to one brand of firearm only, and what measures you would take to prevent gun owners from discussing all brands of gun but one.

I am eager to learn much from you, as I am new to these things. I await the benefit of your experience and wisdom.

Parabellum, I think you do a spectacular job. Sometimes I just muse stupidly.