I’m new here, but I think I’ve stumbled upon a rare, but not necessarily unusually valuable p220. I bought a used 220 from buds. It came with a crimson trace laser grip module installed. When I received the pistol with its original case, a set of nills wood grips were included. These turned out to be original grips on this p220. It also came with a German folded slide, not the stainless steel that was generally used at the time. It’s a G316xxx, 220-45-AM. According to this sites list, made probably in summer of 2001. It has 1 serial number location on the frame and no proof marks. So it has parts made in Germany, but it was assembled in the Us. According to one user from several years ago, sig customer service stated, there were early qa issues with the stainless steel slides, and the folded slide was offered as a “special order” during this time. I’m assuming the nills grips were included if you purchased this slide. I thought it would be worth it to share here.this is not it, but identical. Is there an easy way to post pictures here?

Nice Sig collection!

Cool!

I know they offered a folded slide for the P220 back in 2001, but I was under the impression that it was only for those chambered in 9mm.

Not sure if there had been some parts swapped out that were lost to history, But anytime you can get a P220 and some Nills?

Any classic folded slide SIG is a nice gun. But, I'm not sure how this particular one (circa 2001) is considered "rare" at all, because the German made, US assembled, folded slide P220 had been around since about 1997/1998.

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Originally posted by 12131:
...the German made, US assembled, folded slide P220 had been around since about 1997/1998.

Earlier than that, actually. I have a US-assembled P220 .45 ACP, serial number G257166, Manufactured (per SIG) in November of 1995. K-Kote. Beautiful pistol- finely-finished and a great trigger- fully the equal in terms of quality with the German-assembled examples of the same era.

I bought it from Doc Avery (remember him?) in 1996.

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Originally posted by .38supersig:
I know they offered a folded slide for the P220 back in 2001, but I was under the impression that it was only for those chambered in 9mm.

The P220-9-EU. 9x19mm, folded slide with integral front sight. Heel release frame with the rebounding hammer lockwork. It confused the Hell out of me when I saw it in the store.

Proofed 2001, imported (per SIG) in February, 2002. A survey of the serial numbers of this group of pistols suggests a small production run of 300 or 400 pistols, perhaps less than that. Serial number on mine is G324171. SIG was likely using up older parts still in inventory.

Yeah, I wasn't sure about the P220 earlier than '97, but thanks for confirming they do exist.

I think you will not find any US-assembled P220s from 1994. 1995 is the year the switch was made.

When folded slide P220 production stopped, I am uncertain. Perhaps a look at the serial number list might offer a clue.

The last known (on this side of the pond) folded slide P220s were the 2012 (BC) proofed ones that were imported by P W Arms. I bought this one, SN G526289, from a fellow member several years ago. It's long gone, now.

See if this works.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/...n/dateposted-public/

Fine… guess that works. There are 5 photos of the pistol I’ve referenced

^^^ Yeah, that works. But, I can tell you that those wood grips that came with your gun are not Nills.

The photos of the one you posted in the OP show Nills grips, yes. I recognized them belong to forum member c_swimm who is no longer around. He bought those grips, when he was stationed in Germany.

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Any opinions on what they are?

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No ideas. But Nills would always have their "KN" signature on the inside. That's a fact, coming from the mouth of a Nills rep, when I inquired something about their grips some years back.

Yours look like Hogue, but just like Nills, they have their signature inside the grips. Yours just have the "X" that I can see on one of the inside surfaces.

I guess you’re right. I don’t know. I just asked on another forum if anyone could id these grips, as there was no mention of them on the sellers description, and someone suggested nills. Then when I found other examples of non-proof marked made in Germany folded slides with similar grips, I assumed they were from the factory. In all of the discussions I found, no one specifically mentions their grips. Prior to posting this thread, I asked on another “id my 220” sig forum thread if any of the threads participants were still around or active, as they seem to have examples of a similar pistol as mine. I was trying to find out more information from them, but I guess they’re not around. But I guess since you have spoken to one nills grip rep who claims they never leave the factory without a mark, we will go with that. I was more intrigued by the lack of markings, proofs, serial, than the grips. Whatever the grips are I think they look awesome. My only grip issue is that I bought a pair of replacement hogues before I knew the wood grips were in the case. I post and posted this all here, because there seems to be a great bit of ambiguity in the pistols made in Germany and shipped to the us. My intent here was to help mitigate that ambiguity, as this forum seems to be interested in documenting different sig models.

https://www.1911forum.com/thre...slide-please.427407/

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On the M14 Forum, there is a 1996 P220 and a American mag release .38 Super which both wear the identical wood grips. No definate answer but the concensus is they are factory wood grips. Not Hogue or Sile. They are walnut and not laminated.

They look very similar to what I have on my 1st gen P220ST and mine are definitely not Nill-Griffe. I bought them from CDNN.

Para mentioned Doc Avery's name and if anyone remembered him. I sure do, because I bought a surplus Walther P4 from him in 1993. He always had interesting stuff for sale in his ads in either Gun List or Shotgun News (maybe both?)

Another big seller from one of those two publications was a guy named Bill Drollinger from somewhere in California (Huntington Beach?). In one of his ads, I remember him selling a full page of Sauer 38H pistols. Never bought from him though.

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I bought it from Doc Avery (remember him?) in 1996.

I still have several Walthers I bought from Doc Avery. He was fantastic to hang out with.

You know the story of the guys that followed him and his wife from a gun show?