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| He is correct. There is no difference. 9x19mm, 9mm NATO, 9mm Parabellum, and 9mm Luger are all different names for the same cartridge, commonly referred to as simply "9mm". Rounds labeled with any of those will work in any of the 9mm handguns or rifles you listed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9719mm_Parabellum(But be careful... There are other much less common 9mm cartridges, like 9x18mm, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Largo, and 9mm Makarov, that are not the same and will not work in your 9mm guns.) |
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| quote: Originally posted by Texas@Last:
I called him back and he said they are the same thing. I know they are not cuz of the taper.
All your other 9mm rounds - the ones you shot - were tapered also.
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| The 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9X19/NATO is a rimless tapered design from Georg Luger based on his earlier design of the 7.65X21 Parabellum, a rimless bottleneck design. For the 9mm Luger, he kept the taper, knocked off the bottleneck, expanded the mouth to 9mm for bigger bullets and shortened the case by 2mm. This way he kept the same base diameter of his earlier design.
The 9mm is one of very few rimless tapered designs. The .45ACP, the 38Super and the 40S&W are all examples of rimless straight designs. The .38 Special, the .44 Rem. Mag. and the .45 Colt are rimmed straight designs.
The taper in the 9mm Luger is what prevents Redding from offering their superb Dual Ring Competition Pro-Series Die in that caliber.
ETA: The only other rimless tapered design I can think of is the .30 Carbine. |
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| quote: Originally posted by NikonUser:
The 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9X19/NATO is a rimless tapered design from Georg Luger based on his earlier design of the 7.65X21 Parabellum, a rimless bottleneck design. For the 9mm Luger, he kept the taper, knocked off the bottleneck, expanded the mouth to 9mm for bigger bullets and shortened the case by 2mm. This way he kept the same base diameter of his earlier design.
The 9mm is one of very few rimless tapered designs. The .45ACP, the 38Super and the 40S&W are all examples of rimless straight designs. The .38 Special, the .44 Rem. Mag. and the .45 Colt are rimmed straight designs.
The taper in the 9mm Luger is what prevents Redding from offering their superb Dual Ring Competition Pro-Series Die in that caliber.
ETA: The only other rimless tapered design I can think of is the .30 Carbine.
Wow, good stuff!! Thanks |
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| quote: The taper in the 9mm Luger is what prevents Redding from offering their superb Dual Ring Competition Pro-Series Die in that caliber.
It makes me very sad 
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| Let's not forget the world renown 9mm Federal. Which, no Virginia, is not Federal's brand of 9mm Luger. You'll never find it, but if you do, you'll understand right away why it won't work.  |
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| quote: Originally posted by kkina:
Isn't 9mm NATO considered an overpressure variant of the 9×19mm Parabellum that is defined by NATO standards?
Not necessarily . In theory it should, but since the 9x19/Luger/Parabellum was adopted by NATO it was given that to avoid confusion within NATO from other 9mm rounds like MAK and 9x17 (380) |
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