On wich brand and model to buy. I am overwehlmed with options.

I am looking for 22 lr 9mm and 300 to be used on a 5.56.. suggestions. I want better qaulity and money isnt my primary concern. thanks

Could save you some time to read through my thread from a couple years ago when I went through the same thing.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0105858/m/1570090105


It used to be the recommended move to buy a .30 caliber rifle can and a .45 caliber pistol can, and that way, you had two suppressors that would suppress basically everything you owned. The big reasoning behind that was approval times of anywhere from nine months to two years, you may as well get all the value you can get out of your purchase. The downside is that overbored cans don't suppress smaller calibers as well. Are they quieter? Yes. Is there a noticeable difference between the same model suppressor in a .224 bore shooting 5.56 vs a .30 caliber bore shooting the same ammo on similar hosts? Also yes. These days, approval times are as short as twenty minutes, and there's basically no reason if you have the budget to not go ahead and get the same caliber can for the host. If this is your first suppressor, they're like Pringles: You're gonna eventually put a suppressor on everything you own. The only limitation right now is your pocketbook and availability.

Now, that out of the way, you can prioritize volume at the muzzle, volume at the ear, backpressure and gas at the shooter's face, and weight. Others may disagree, but it's all compromises and I see that as the big breakdown on things. If you want quietest at the muzzle, that's generally a more traditional style suppressor and these days, they're called a "high backpressure" design. If you want quiet at the ear and less gas to the face, a "flow through" design is probably what you want. Most of the latter tend to be 3D printed titanium. There's some standard recommendations, but if you check out my EVT Range Day recap thread, I talk about trying out the Stealth Additive Works Ekron. Their .30 caliber version is now available. Knowing everything I know now, having tried everything I've tried out, if I was going to start fresh, I'd buy one of each of the three models they currently offer and continue begging and pleading with them to make a 9mm suppressor.

OP,
User serviceable-
Banish,Tion.
Titanium has heat restrictions, but is easier to clean.
A centerfire suppressor w/ HUB capabilities 1-3/8"-24tpi.

SureFire SoCom-simple attachment to their muzzle devices.
Stainless or Titanium w/Inconel baffles & belt fed rated.
Welded construction.

I hard pass on any Aluminum Component suppressors even if Free.

I don't get exactly what you want? as 22lr to be used on a 5.56 makes no sense to me.
I like pew science to look at can reviews for comparisons.
However based on my personal experience I can make some suggestions as you ask.
You want a dedicated rimfire can. Zero risk are the DA Mask and the Rugged occulus. These are no nonsense completely proven options. You can get lighter but mostly that's by using materials like Al that are not pleasant to clean. There are some up and coming options using 3d printing that seem to offer advantages but they are relatively new so we will have to see on those.
9mm can I would suggest one of the newer flow cans 3 d printed. I can vouch for the Majove 9 and the B&T. But this is the sweet spot for development and not a high stress situation so all of them are pretty darn good. The rugged obsidian 9 is also a completely proven option I could easily recommend on personal experience. No personal experience but right now I think the best of these is the PTR hands down.
That leaves the rifle stuff. If you look on Pew you give up a bunch using a .30 cal can on 5.56, but its certainly been an option for a long time.
I am a surefire guy but that's probably not the best option in this situation. I'd vouch for the Huxwurx Ventum and the B&t from personal experience.
P220Smudge is always willing to explore more exotic options so he has given you some options. 3d printing is just plain changing the game right now.
Hope that helps in some way.

The OP is looking for a do-it-all suppressor to use on .22LR, 9mm, 300BO, and 5.56, and how to find one that suits those needs.

I started down this road the year before last, and here's what I would recommend.

1. Find a local dealer. See if any of your local dealers have any vendors coming to their location anytime soon. I found that Dead Air was coming to the shop nearest me. I was able to learn a little bit about them from the Dead Air rep, I got to shoot a few, and I got to listen to other customers trying them out. The rep gave me a Dead Air hard-copy catalog, which, to be honest, was very confusing at first. There are some ranges that have demo models you can try out.

The local dealer has a guy whose sole purpose is to help people through the process of purchasing a suppressor or getting the necessary tax stamp to build a short-barreled rifle (SBR). He was tremendously helpful to me.

You can also work with online dealers such as Silencer Central, and now even Palmetto State Armory offers the service. They will help you through the entire process and ship the suppressor to your door when the tax stamp is approved (see below).

2. I immediately went to Dead Air's web page and started to study. I tend to get obsessive about a subject, so I also looked at other manufacturers' web sites to see what I would learn.

3. Check out sites dedicated to suppressors. Pew Science is fantastic, and provides a huge amount of information - very detailed - and has a lot of scientific data built into his reviews. Some will be overwhelmed with the data, and I rarely read the whole article. The thing I mainly look for in the reviews are sound suppression relative to other suppressors, and backpressure (gas coming back to your face) relative to other suppressors. It costs $7 per month, and you can compare suppressors on a variety of criteria. The site's kinda clunky, and he doesn't always have the latest suppressors, but there's a lot of data there.

SIGForum is also a tremendous resource. There are a lot of experienced, knowledgeable people here that can also shepherd you through the process.

4. YouTube. There's a lot to wade through, and YouTube' algorithm isn't very helpful in finding what you're looking for, but there are generally there are some reviews on whatever suppressor you're considering, unless it's relatively new.

5. Don't forget to consider the weight of the suppressor. The guy at the local dealer recommended a Dead Air Primal rather than a Ghost 45 for shooting .45, as I could use it for larger calibers if I so needed. But the Primal is a LOT heavier than the Ghost, and I don't have any larger calibers to shoot. So I bought a Ghost to use with .45, and will probably buy a 45-70 lever gun to use with the Primal. Also, some suppressors have barrel length restrictions - if the manufacturer says 6 inches in 9mm, it means that you shouldn't shoot 9mm out of a barrel shorter than 6 inches when you're using 9mm.

6. Titanium is the new hotness. It is much lighter than steel or inconel, but it is also more expensive. And it can be 3-D printed, allowing more complex geometries to increase the sound suppression.

7. Decide how you want to own the suppressor. It can either be as an individual or as a dedicated firearms trust. If you want anyone to inherit your suppressors or firearms, I highly recommend establishing a trust. HeavyD here on the forum is really helpful at setting up a trust for not a lot of money, in almost any US State.

8. Once you have decided on a suppressor, you have to file a form with the ATF and pay for a $200 tax stamp. My local dealer was tremendously helpful with this part. He filled out the forms electronically, took my fingerprints electronically, set up an account with the ATF, and filed the forms on my behalf. The ATF e-mailed me that they received the forms and when my tax stamps were approved. At present, it can take anywhere from a few hours to a few weeks for approval. Then you can possess the suppressor and enjoy it.

For your needs, I would recommend 3 or 4 suppressors to start. A 22LR suppressor, a 9mm/300BO suppressor, and a 5.56 suppressor; if you can afford it, get a separate can for 9mm and .308, and you can use the .308 can for .300BO, or you could also use it for .308/7.62 rounds if you decide to do that in the future. Remember that the diameter of the hole in the can needs to be bigger than the bullet that will pass through it. Do not shoot 9mm (.38 caliber diameter) through a can made for .30 caliber rounds. Do not fire a .45 round through a .30 caliber can.

5.56 is a supersonic round, so keep in mind that it will still be louder than a subsonic round like .300BO.

Those are the basics. Feel free to ask anything else you'd like to know.

^^^^Great post. Buy a can for each purpose. Here's some of my notes, just to belabor some points:

You want to be able to clean your 22LR can, and aluminum baffles will reduce your options for cleaning. Also 22LR cans are much smaller, cheaper, and lighter than 5.56 cans.

You will want a class leading suppressor for 5.56 like Rugged, Surefire, SilencerCo, etc. Avoid compact or short models. They are loud. Really loud.

300 is easy to suppress subsonic, in fact many 9mm cans are rated for subsonic 300.

Also, you definitely want a 9mm PCC SBR now, even if you don't realize it yet.

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
Also, you definitely want a 9mm PCC SBR now, even if you don't realize it yet.

100% this. 9mm subsonic is still considerably cheaper than 5.56 or .308, and a hell of a lot more fun to shoot IMO.

Oh, and do yourself a favor and buy an ultrasonic cleaner that will at least fit your suppressors, ideally in glass jars. I bought a four pack of "juice jars" on Amazon so I can use fresh stuff for each can I run through there without it getting all the water totally filthy. Makes cleanup a lot less arduous affair.

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Avoid compact or short models. They are loud. Really loud.

I don't think this is a rule. I have a TurboK that performs very well, for its size. I think it depends on the silencer. I have read plenty of good stuff about the PoloniumK too. My Surefire Mini, on the other hand, is really loud.

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The OP is looking for a do-it-all suppressor to use on .22LR, 9mm, 300BO, and 5.56

If that's what the OP really wants good luck, that's a really tough ask. I don't how we go from that to "I suggest 3-4 suppressors to start"?
Maybe the OP can give a little specificity to the issue.

Ronin, suppressors are a deep rabbit hole! When I got into them in 2017 there were some very standardized answers at the time, get two, a dedicated .22 suppressor and a SilencerCo Omega 300 for 5.56 and 300 Blackout.

I know you asked for one suppressor, but a dedicated .22 suppressor is still good advice IMHO. I'm not that picky on which one, as suppressing .22 doesn't seem to be that hard for silencer companies to do for about $400. Why a dedicated can? .22 ammo is dirty and will lead up your regular can.

We are in the middle of a revolution on silencers with design and 3D printing. There are cans developed in the last 3 years that are making dramatic gains, especially for rounds that go supersonic and can reduce backpressure on semi-auto guns/AR15.

I am a fan of Pew Science, but fair warning sending someone there is a little bit like telling someone to go read the encyclopedia. If you go to SSS.7 the Rankings and sort by ammo 300 Blackout, then Ear Suppression rating then you can see 24 cans ranked. He's testing on a bolt action, results would be different on an AR15 platform. You can also sort for .22/9mm/5.56/.308 etc.

For a long time suppressors were picked based on what the military used. Turns out they might not be the best designs for citizens. They design to run in machine guns, to reduce signature (both flash and noise downrange) and a few other things that I don't care about. The sound testing Pew Science did, found that the Surefire and Knights Armament cans the military used weren't all that quiet. My primary focus is on shooter's ear suppression, and maybe secondary weight.

I chose SilencerCo Velos 7.62. It's a one year old design now, and it has serious competition, but overall I'm happy. Here are some others to look at:

PTR -Vent - new 3D tech, expensive
CAT - JL - new 3D
CGS - Hyperion
Dead Air Sandman X - new 3D tech design
B&T - -X-7.62, looking out for new XH-Print

Some of these might only be 2 or 3 year old designs, but might be considered older baffle tech at this point:
Dead Air Nomad - old design and heavy
YHM - Resonator R2 - good budget can
Otter Creek Labs - Polo 30/Hydrogen

Nearly all of the companies have a lightweight 9mm/subsonic only 300 Blackout suppressor that would work well on pistols or Pistol Caliber Carbines. For the most part they will not be rated for 5.56. If you want short and lightweight for 9mm pistol you'll wind up with a 3rd can. I don't have one of these, yet.

If you can find a suppressor range day in your area, go. I went to one outside Austin a month ago and shot a dozen different suppressors in one day.

I'm heavy into Dead Air suppressors/silencers, but not exclusively. If you go with the Sandman X, get the one with the Xeno adapter rather than Keymo (just my personal preference).

The Dead Air Nomad Ti series is a lot lighter than the Sandman X, but it does have some barrel length restrictions.

Some other brand suggestions:
Aero Precision Lahar series - very good quality, really affordable, but steel and inconel, so they're heavy
Huxwrx - they pretty much invented low backpressure suppressors, and they have some really light offerings, but are pricey

ibanda is right that we're in a suppressor revolution right now. For that matter the same is true for firearms in general. It's a great time to be a firearms customer.

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:
If you go with the Sandman X, get the one with the Xeno adapter rather than Keymo (just my personal preference).

It's not just you, there's several suppressor manufacturers who are now charging repair fees for damage incurred using Keymo whereas had it occurred with other mounting systems, it would typically just be a warranty repair. The owner of Otter Creek said recently that the vast majority of baffle strikes and endcaps he's fixing are due to Keymo. Not a big deal with a Polonium, but with a 3D printed vented titanium endcap, it's a big deal. It's a shit mounting system and Dead Air needs to discontinue it outright.

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:
Aero Precision Lahar series - very good quality, really affordable, but steel and inconel, so they're heavy
Huxwrx - they pretty much invented low backpressure suppressors, and they have some really light offerings, but are pricey

Aero makes great stuff, but they're having some sort of major problem the last 6-9 months that would make me not want to buy a can from them. Orders aren't shipping, customer service and sales aren't responding. I've had two friends cancel Aero orders in the last few months because they never shipped and Aero wouldn't answer phone calls or emails. The problem is widespread once you start looking around.

I interviewed, got hired, onboarded, and then wound up declining a job with them when they moved from Tacoma to Lakewood. When they hired me, they said I'd start in Tacoma and would be there for at least six months, then they said they were going to immediately switch everything over to Lakewood, so that's where I would start. Lakewood sucks, driving through the Joint Base Lewis-McChord traffic sucks, and I just couldn't tack another thirty minutes of drive time to my commute. This was around February of 2021. They're still not fully moved over to Lakewood. If I had to guess, opening that new facility and moving operations broke them, which is a goddamned shame.

I am unsure if the OP wants a just go 'buy this' type of discussion or a how to decide if you study the problem to death discussion.
Because I've owned enough suppressors now that I can give you a very low risk just go get these and you will be completely happy list with just a bit more info on the guns you want to suppress. Maybe not completely optimal in terms of cost (low priority for me) but will suppress well, be durable, have few issues etc. P220Smudge is more adventuresome than me about newer, less established players so he could give you alternatives that may have lower cost or other benefits.
But this last set of posts brings up one of the key issues. You are going to eventually have to settle on someone's eco system on mounts for rifles. And if you own a few guns that eventually matters a lot. HUB (or others) gets you a little help but its not completely universal plug and play. At least on rifle suppressors you don't want to use thread on suppressors and a QD taper style mount is what you want. And there are a ton of options in that world.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
But this last set of posts brings up one of the key issues. You are going to eventually have to settle on someone's eco system on mounts for rifles. [...] And there are a ton of options in that world.

So true. In the spirit of "just go buy this," I'm gonna suggest HUB and Plan B mounts and muzzle devices for actual rifle cans. That is the current industry standard, and it's a good one. There are a number of manufacturers making Plan B mounts and a whole variety of muzzle devices, so you're not limited to one manufacturer and their stuff and their prices, it's more open source. The go-to recommendation has been Rearden, but they've been recommended to death and finding their stuff in stock is always a fight against everyone else who got the restock email notification and how fast you can type in your credit card number. KAK recently announced they're starting production of a version of everything Rearden makes for about a third of the cost. So instead of spending a hundred bucks on every muzzle device, you're $30-40 into one. I was on the fence about getting into the Plan B ecosystem because I have Griffin's Plan A and a Plan A only can, but if I can outfit three rifles with KAK devices for what it costs for one Griffin device, I may switch. That one can can live on one host. Good reason to just buy more suppressors for the others.



In a related note, Ronin, if you get said previously suggested PCC to shoot suppressed, tri lug is the tits, and the best "bang for the buck" tits come from Kaw Valley Precision. If you look around and time it right, you can be into the mount and two muzzle devices for what one Griffin tri lug muzzle device costs. I did, anyway.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:
If you go with the Sandman X, get the one with the Xeno adapter rather than Keymo (just my personal preference).

It's not just you, there's several suppressor manufacturers who are now charging repair fees for damage incurred using Keymo whereas had it occurred with other mounting systems, it would typically just be a warranty repair. The owner of Otter Creek said recently that the vast majority of baffle strikes and endcaps he's fixing are due to Keymo. Not a big deal with a Polonium, but with a 3D printed vented titanium endcap, it's a big deal. It's a shit mounting system and Dead Air needs to discontinue it outright.

Yeah, except the older Sandman only used Keymo, not Xeno.

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:
Aero Precision Lahar series - very good quality, really affordable, but steel and inconel, so they're heavy
Huxwrx - they pretty much invented low backpressure suppressors, and they have some really light offerings, but are pricey

Aero makes great stuff, but they're having some sort of major problem the last 6-9 months that would make me not want to buy a can from them. Orders aren't shipping, customer service and sales aren't responding. I've had two friends cancel Aero orders in the last few months because they never shipped and Aero wouldn't answer phone calls or emails. The problem is widespread once you start looking around.

Wow, I didn't realize that, but have noticed in their e-mails that they haven't been offering anything interesting for a while. I bought my Lahar 30L from a third party at a pretty good price, and there are some killer deals out there on the Lahar line right now. I bought it to go with a .308 SBR based on Pew Science's review, where it scored highly on sound suppression and on blowback (but not best in either category). And it was the only one in FDE I could find at the time.

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I interviewed, got hired, onboarded, and then wound up declining a job with them when they moved from Tacoma to Lakewood. When they hired me, they said I'd start in Tacoma and would be there for at least six months, then they said they were going to immediately switch everything over to Lakewood, so that's where I would start. Lakewood sucks, driving through the Joint Base Lewis-McChord traffic sucks, and I just couldn't tack another thirty minutes of drive time to my commute. This was around February of 2021. They're still not fully moved over to Lakewood. If I had to guess, opening that new facility and moving operations broke them, which is a goddamned shame.

Very interesting!

This really isn't a contribution to the above discussion but just an observation. But at the moment is way harder to get certain mounts and muzzle devices than actual suppressors. Rearden is always sold out. KAK is sold out when I looked. I'm months into waiting on KVP for something. I'm several months into waiting on some specific HUB adapters.
So suggestion, once you pick your suppressor and mount strategy go looking. You'll have the suppressor long before you have the mounts IMO.

That's actually a great contribution to this discussion, because mounts are critical to suppressors.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
This really isn't a contribution to the above discussion but just an observation. But at the moment is way harder to get certain mounts and muzzle devices than actual suppressors. Rearden is always sold out. KAK is sold out when I looked. I'm months into waiting on KVP for something. I'm several months into waiting on some specific HUB adapters.
So suggestion, once you pick your suppressor and mount strategy go looking. You'll have the suppressor long before you have the mounts IMO.

Don't just look; budget as well. Mounts and mount interfaces can be very expensive. I have been needing to get a 1/2x28 OSS flash hider for about a year. I haven't done it based almost solely on the price. Surefire devices are the same way.

I didn't really bring up mounts, as that is an entire rabbit hole to go down after you go down the suppressor rabbit hole. My first suggestion is, if it is your first suppressor and it comes with a mount, use it. If you want to run it on multiple guns then maybe it's time to look into mounts.

I was looking at one of P220 Smudge's suggestions the Stealh Additive Works Ekron suppressor and Stealth has a
Suppressor Mounting Guide. Go to the Support Documents and click on Suppressor Mounting Guide. I would rather send that link than type it out myself!!

This would take a beginner into a pretty good understanding of some of the options. I'm using ASR as my cans are from SilencerCo. If I were picking from scratch today first one I would look at Q Plan B system and maybe even better the Rearden aftermarket version called Atlas. There are two Left Hand thread systems - Dead Air Xeno or the CGS Sci-Six/CAT Spooky, and I can't decide which one would be better, but I like the idea of left hand threads. CAT released their drawings open source, so that one may be picked up by the aftermarket and grow.

I'm not sure its helpful to devolve this into a mounts discussion, but some of it I think is worth discussion.

"if it is your first suppressor and it comes with a mount, use it."

Almost everything comes with a mount, if that mount is Direct Thread IMO that is really bad advice.

The Ekron works guide is worth a look but its somewhat disingenious as full stop on their home page they say "Mounts: DO NOT USE KEYMO on S.A.W. suppressors This is one thing we do not warranty."
and then in the guide they don't bother with that and say "Dead Air KeyMo System: KeyMo provides a robust and reliable QD mechanism compatible with several suppressor models." And they really don't discuss the differences between the various options which is the key point.

Maybe its not what you meant in your post. But I'm with P220Smudge on this one, if your not invested in another eco system for rifle cans (seperate issue on pistol cans as HUB is large diameter and others may be better to get smaller dimater), just get HUB and PlanB. If that cuts out some choices on suppressors, so be it.

If its worth a discussion on the various options and we think that will help the OP I'm all in. I've literally got them all at this point.

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