A friend and I went out last weekend with the intention of comparing a whole mess of cans and hosts. We learned a lot, dispelled some notions and had some others reinforced. Our testing was performed in the desert at sunset in calm conditions at around 110°. We were shooting up against a mountain with no berm per se, so there was echo. We shot the rifles both into the mountain, and down into the ground about twenty feet in front of us to mitigate sonic crack.

All 9mm testing done with 147gr flat nose Blazer Brass.
All 5.56 testing done with PMC XTAC 55gr.

9mm handguns -

Hosts:
Glock 19X
M&P 2.0
Beretta 92FS
CZ 75 SP01 Tactical

Cans: Incolite 9M, Cat Street Crack, SAW Shiv.

Takeaways & Impressions –

We tried to bring a range of hosts, and found that performance was very host dependent, moreso than expected. On some hosts, some cans were a little quieter than others, and then we would migrate them to different hosts and get different resultss, so my impressions are kind of the averaged-out result. We left the modular cans in full config for simplicity and time constraints.

The Street Crack is incredibly quiet. The Incolite 9M is the poor man's Street Crack being basically just as quiet but with a slightly higher, ringing sound to it whereas the Cat has a thumpier, slightly deader tone to it. Honestly, averaged over all the hosts, it was almost splitting hairs between the two. The difference in volume was negligible, it really just came down to the tone. If you have the budget for a Street Crack, get one. If you have the $475 for the Incolite 9M, get one and know that you're getting about 95% of a Street Crack.

The Shiv punches way, way above its weight class. It isn't as quiet to the bystander as any of the pistol cans tested, but it was also less painful to shoot than most of the combinations with no ears on. That backpressure thing is no joke. For what value I can concievably place on suppressing a handgun, it's the winner. I want to take the bite off my house or competition gun without meaningfully messing with the balance, or introducing more shit that can break or carbon lock with a booster. The balance thing cannot be overstated, the other cans, even without the extension modules, feel like hanging a brick off the front of the gun in comparison. I think the Shiv is also the only can that never peppered me in the face with any of the hosts tested, and hasn't yet to date since I got mine back in March.

I used to own a Phoenix TL, and was shocked to come away from this feeling like the TLX finished squarely in the middle of the pack in terms of volume reduction to the bystander, and being comfortable to the shooter. However, if someone were looking for a boosterless lightweight can, I would just get a Shiv and be done with it unless you have some funky thread pitch needs, and then I think the TLX is actually still a solid choice in 2026. Ecco gets a lot of love on Reddit for mounts and such, but people sleep on his suppressors. They were more of a fantastic deal about three years ago, but they're still worth a look today.

PCC's -

Hosts:
Stribog SP9A3
CMMG RBD

Cans: SAW Tisha 9mm, CAT MOB, CAT SC, Incolite 9M

Takeaways & Impressions – Everything was quieter on the CMMG, both to the shooter and the bystander. It's just a quieter system, and that's with the 35° locking block and KD Gunwerx buffer system in the Stribog. If you don't Stribog, that means it's about as tuned as it gets for suppression. The Cat MOB on the CMMG was the quietest combo tested, but the Street Crack and Incolite 9M were honestly right up there with it. It was awfully, awfully close between the three. The main differences came down to tone – the Incolite has a slight higher pitch ring to it that the CAT cans do not. Again, if you have the $475 for the Incolite 9M, get one and know that you're getting about 95% of a Cat MOB.

Though the Tisha 9mm was not the quietest to the bystander on either gun, it was easily the quietest for the shooter on both hosts. It's especially notable that it was the only can for either shooter that had zero bite on the Stribog, mainly due to how obvious a difference there was between it and the RDB in terms of backpressure and port pop. There was enough backpressure with all the other cans that I could only handle a round or two with no ears on with the Stribog, but the Tisha was very comfortable. The 9mm Tisha will be living on my Stribog going forward. I've shot several RDB's before, and they always impressed me with how quiet they were. I think I'm sold on doing an RDB/Broad River Tactical integral build with the Incolite after this. RDB's tame port pop incredibly well.

Rifles -

Hosts:
10.3 URGI
10.3" Mk18
11.5" URGI
14.7" Custom build

Cans: SAW Tisha 5.56 in both Inconel and titanium, SAW Ekron 5.56

My URGIs are not Geissele builds, they're quasi-clone builds with the original DD barrels, DD low profile gas blocks, milspec gas tubes, milspec carriers, H2 buffer in the 10.3 and ST-T2 in the 11.5, Tubb's flatwire springs in both.

His Mk18 has a 10.3" DD barrel, DD low profile gas block and standard milspec gas tube, KAK Downvent carrier and DBC insert, KAK A5 tube with KAK K-spec A5H4 buffer and spring.
His 14.7" has a White Oak Armament barrel, Superlative AGB with midlength gas, KAK aluminum K-spec lightweight BCG with KAK A5H0 K-spec buffer and spring. It's tuned to just barely LRBHO with no suppressor.

Basically, my stuff is pretty stock and his stuff is fairly well tuned to the tits for suppressed FRT use.

Takeaways & Impressions – Everyone has been talking about the Tisha, and everyone has been talking about how flashy the titanium is. My friend's Inconel Tisha has 2-3k rounds through it, mostly FRT use. I was there when he got it, and we were surprised at how flashy and sparky it was, particularly under NODs. Most of the "it's new and there's leftover stuff in the can from the manufacturing process" has assuredly been cooked out by now. Last night was the first time out with mine, so it was a fresh, and what should have been sparky titanium can. I didn't honestly notice a hell of a lot of difference between the two, and that was observing under NODs in full dark at that point in the range session.

The internals of his can (purchased back in May) are different from my 9mm and 5.56 Tishas, per the big drama thread a while back. We compared the two Tishas, each on a 10.3", one in each hand into the ground about twenty feet in front of us and I didn't notice any appreciable difference in terms of either tone or flash. All that bitching, and the performance was basically the same. My opinion after shooting and observing three of them last night and on prior occasions under NODs is that those side vents just make for it being a flashy can. It's not a bad thing, it's just a thing. It's either a sticking point for you or it's not. Personally, I don't care.

The barrel length thing. The Tisha performs really, really well on short barrels. Yes, going from 10.3" to 11.5", it got a hair quieter. It didn't really seem to get much quieter going from 11.5" to 14.5", which is something people have noted. You could look at it the inverse way, however, and that's that the Tisha just doesn't really give up much in terms of suppression going from a 14.5" down to a 10.3". I think that's impressive.

The difference in weight was astounding, you really feel it going back and forth between titanium and Inconel, particularly on the 14.5". Since it's my opinion that the Inconel wasn't much less flashy, I think my recommendation is if you want one of these and aren't sure which to choose, to go with titanium unless you know for sure that you're just going to be dumping fuckloads of rounds through it with an FRT. I will not, so I'm not worried about it. That said, I did flip mine to forced reset and dumped about a half mag through it and didn't notice it glowing through NODs, and my 10.3" runs a lot faster than my friend's rifles.

Here's something I'm not really seeing people talk about, and something I was asking myself once I got the Tishas: where does the Ekron fit in with the current SAW lineup and versus all the other cans people are comparing the Tisha to? It was the can that initially got me interested in Stealth Additive Works, and I bought one in .30 and one in 5.56. I think they're a great can, I'm happy to have them. It kind of got lost in the sauce with the Tisha being announced by a well-known GunTuber and getting the Pew Science review and score that it did. Brace yourselves: We found the 5.56 Ekron to be quieter to both the shooter and the bystander vs the 5.56 Tisha on all barrel lengths. There is a slight higher pitch crack to it that the Tisha doesn't have with it's slightly lower, thumpier tone, but the Ekron is definitely quieter. It also gets noticeably more quiet the longer the barrel length gets. On the 14.5" it was an obvious difference that it was quieter than the Tisha It sounds a bit like an old school cap gun.

The Tisha is stupid quiet for its size, and has a slightly deeper tone to it compared to the Ekron, but with the Ekron, you're coming in about a half ounce lighter at the cost of a couple inches in length for a quieter can. I think the SAW guys really ought to consider having Pew Science review this can even though it's not their newest and doesn't have Micah behind it. I get why they leaned into the Tisha, but the Ekron should not be ignored, it's a really good can. Guys that say they want the Tisha's performance, but can't handle how it looks really ought to take a closer look at the Ekron and not just ignore it because it isn't that new new they're seeing all over YouTube and Insta. Again, it also scales really well with barrel length, being a little quieter than the Tisha on short barrels despite the higher pitch, but beating it squarely as you go up in barrel length. I'm going to keep the Tisha on my 10.3, and my 5.56 Ekron is going to live on my 11.5", which is my NV gun. Instead of the 5.56 Tisha making two cans I already owned irrelevant, it wound up going on a gun I rarely use.

We also didn't test for this outright and will next time with FRT's, but the Ekron seems to smooth out recoil impulse really nicely, and I think edges out the Tisha on that front. Everyone I've let try out my 11.5" with the Ekron has remarked how smooth that gun shoots, and again, it isn't tuned hardly at all.

We have a friend who has a Rhodie 6, and we're hoping to organize a shoot soon where we get to throw that in the mix. I will also be bringing the .30 cal Ekron along with and we'll probably and hopefully spend that trip entirely comparing rifle cans for suppression to the shooter and bystander, muzzle flash, gas to shooter's face, gas stacking, recoil impulse, all of it.

None of this is meant to be anything more than a few more data points, opinions, and musing. Take from it what you will.

Replying in a separate reply intentionally. I wrote that report as soon as we got back so it was all fresh. After a week to let it all percolate, I have to say I'm incredibly impressed with the Incolite 9M. I would say it's currently the big market disruptor in the pistol can space. We are hoping to get back out this weekend or next weekend to compare a bunch of other cans if we can get the turnout.

What I didn't get into in that writeup is that in the dark, somehow it got missed that there was some kind of crud or carbon or maybe even bits of jacket on the threads of my friend's BRT integral extension when he threaded my Incolite on there. We could not get the Incolite off, hence the extension in the picture. I brought it home and tried all the tricks. I froze it, hit it with a torch, shredded a strap wrench on it, wrapped a silicon gun cleaning mat around it to tighten as I tried to thread it off, everything I could think of it and it would not budge. PB Blaster did nothing.

I contacted BOE Suppression and talked to their head of sales and he wanted me to send it in, but not before saying "whatever BRT made that tube out of, I'm pretty confident the threads on it vs Inconel... the Inconel is going to win." So, to potentially save myself the shipping, I tried one last thing.

I 3D printed a vise block out of PETG with 98% infill to fit the extension, cranked that fucker down in my heavy vise, and wrapped the silicon mat around the Incolite, and gave 'er with the strap wrench. It started to move, and I kept with it. Sure enough, it came free and with zero marks on the threads for the Incolite, but the threads on the BRT extension are chewed. I will need to check to confirm, but I think it is 17-4 stainless. Bits of what look like copper and lead came off in the paper towel, and I can only guess what happened there. But the bottom line is, Inconel is some really stout shit.

The 9M with the extension mounted is absolutely, ridiculously quiet. I'm going to get back in touch with the sales head at BOE with some feedback about how it fared vs the CAT cans that it's obviously gunning for. I think it's every bit as quiet, but there's a bell-like quality to the can that, if they can deaden it, will have it giving pretty much exactly the same performance at less than half the cost. It really is unbelievable.

Oh, and before someone asks, notjustguns.com is the hookup. The "add to cart" price was $475, and they restock in batches of 5-15 on random weekdays at 10am EST, the site often updates about quarter or ten 'til and the email notifications go out after. They sell out in minutes. If you're quick, you can snag one, and I think they're absolutely worth it. I talked about this can some in another thread a few weeks ago and I think it kind of went under the radar, but if you have $500ish for a "do everything" 9mm can, this is the one.

Thanks for taking the time to write all of that up. It's nice to read some real world back to back comparisons.

I recently got a CAT MOB, but have also been thinking of picking up the Incolite. I continue to read good reviews on them and for the money they seem hard to beat. Any experience with the Tisha on an AK? I have an Arsenal 107CR and 104UR that need a suppressed option and the 30cal Tisha is intriguing for that role.

I’m interested in your opinion on the Rhodie 6, if you get to use one.

Bryan, the MOB is an excellent can and if you wanted the modularity of the Street Crack, the Incolite 9M gets you awfully close. For the money, it’s pretty unbeatable.

As for a Tisha on an AK, I haven’t tried one, but I have used the .30 cal Ekron on an AK and it sounded great. It was very, very quiet, especially with subs. Mainly what I heard was the action cycling. The Tisha isn’t as quiet as the Ekron, but it’s damned close, and it would look right at home on an AK. Since the Tisha and Ekron are comparable in terms of overall suppression and backpressure, I would say it probably does really on AK’s. Given that my experience with the 9mm Tisha was so similar in terms of results compared to the 5.56, I’d wager the .30 cal version performs similarly. They are essentially the same can, after all. Since the 9mm is rifle rated, I was thinking I might also see how it does on some rifles next time out. Apparently the 5.56 Tisha is absolutely phenomenal on an SBR’ed PS90, and I’ll be trying that out as well.

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Originally posted by bryanZ06:
Thanks for taking the time to write all of that up. It's nice to read some real world back to back comparisons.

I recently got a CAT MOB, but have also been thinking of picking up the Incolite. I continue to read good reviews on them and for the money they seem hard to beat. Any experience with the Tisha on an AK? I have an Arsenal 107CR and 104UR that need a suppressed option and the 30cal Tisha is intriguing for that role.

If you want to see a Tisha in action on a PSA Krink, check out Juicey Media on youtube. There is a recent vid of it being fired with an FRT.

Yeah, and I had also run across this in my anticipating picking mine up.

Embedded and timestamped at the relevant portion. Ignore the soy face in the thumbnail, the video is pretty decent.



This guy also does pretty fair reviews and has decent mics on his stuff. Plenty of AK action here:



Again, yes, there are quieter suppressors at the muzzle or to the bystander, but I have never shot anything that's so quiet to the shooter as the SAW cans.

Tisha looks so good on a krink.

It really does. For anyone who isn't up on why it looks the way it does, Micah Mayfield (the GunTuber) asked SAW to make a suppressor that looks like the Delta-Tek MPI to pair with some Krink repro he was working with another company to produce. So yeah, it specifically has that Russian vibe to it intentionally. It also tends to look uniquely at home on blocky Euro guns.

Great reports, all!

Thanks for the links. It's impressive how much the Tisha can tame an 8.5" 5.56!

Yeah, for the size, it really does amazing things on short barrels. I wanted to get out there this weekend and do some more comparisons but things came up and I couldn't put together a shoot. Hoping for next weekend.

We now have a friend who has basically all of the B&T current lineup and a guy who has a lot of the CAT stuff, so that should be an interesting shoot if we can get those two guys out there with us. My suspicion is the SAW stuff will all be loudest to the bystander, but quietest to the shooter, CAT will be the inverse, and the B&T cans will be somewhere in the middle.

Great picture and I'm here for the long form write ups. I'm pretty current on the suppressor world but I don't think I had heard of Incolite till about 2 weeks ago and now they are the new budget busters.

I've demoed a CAT Street Crack, it was really good. I haven't been able to demo SAW Tisha yet, really want to. The engineer really was creative with that 2 stage jetting dropping pressure, no one else is doing that.