in a miracle of miracles this EF4 came back in record time. I won't have time to go grab it at my local crack dealer till next week, but will report as soon as I get it how it runs.

Hot dog! Congratulations. I look forward to hearing about your impressions.

I picked it up today. I tried to arrange for my dealer for a time that I can have the whole indoor range and we can shut down the lights and see the flash. But he says he has been advised that I need to run 200 rds. through it would stabilize. I haven't seen that, but he is generally on top of these things. So I'll tackle that soon.

EDITED to add. I did just now dig through all the little slips of yellow paper included in the box and one of them says you need 100rd. through it for optimal flash performance.

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hrcjon - have you shot the RC3 yet and if so can you please share your impressions, especially as to suppression and gas and as compared to the RC2?

I am interested in picking up a dedicated .223 suppressor and have been following closely the two Surefire threads and the "best" .223, and the Measure of a Mount, but not seeing a clear choice. I don't want to pay more than I have to but I am willing to pay what I have to for just one. I am taking a hard look at the Surefires. And the Otter Creek. And the YHM Turbo 3. And . . . .

This message has been edited. Last edited by: kho, March 12, 2024 06:42 AM

kho, have you seen the silencer summit they tested a lot of suppressors and a ton of info to check out.
It helped me decide on one.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/sound/summit2023/

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hrcjon - have you shot the RC3 yet

yes but not enough on enough different platforms to have a real review for you. Hopefully more time in the next weeks.

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Originally posted by JasonATI:
kho, have you seen the silencer summit they tested a lot of suppressors and a ton of info to check out.
It helped me decide on one.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/sound/summit2023/

Thanks for the link. I had not seen this before. While much of the information is way over my head there was also much that is very useful.

Sort by ML dbA and SE dbA. The way I understand it, that's the mil-standard metering location and at the shooter's ear. Those give a good at-a-glance impression.

that was one of the few parts I did understand and focused on. Once I googled the difference between dB and dBA. But yes a very good compilation for my purposes. Although it does not address gas blowback, which is my other priority, once I narrow down the suppressor list there are plenty of reviews etc out there that speak to that.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: kho, March 14, 2024 08:51 AM

Well, I have one on the way. Supposed to be at LGS mid week. They tell me that the wait is 3-5 days. Hopefully I’ll have a report soon to compare it to my time with a RC2.

just letting those interested know that PEW has some tests on the RC3 now up including some RC2 comparative data and some sound numbers versus many other competitors.

Shouldn't both you and jones have shot yours by now? I though they were both in-hand.

yes I have it, yes I have shot it. but not tons. And not in a lot of different situations or a bunch of different guns. Initial impressions are on the guns that I have well tuned for an RC2 (think SCAR) its kind of hohum. Louder for sure. On the guns where I can't quite get the RC2 to be well behaved on gas (think Mk18) its way better on gas.
Now to the bottom line (and this is as a surefire person) is it the latest and greatest, no. If I needed another Surefire can (I don't) I'd probably just get another RC2. Is it worth the premium over the other mfg options probably not, but caveat is that I haven't shot many of the other low gas systems. Now I have my surefire HUB I'm on the lookout for a HUB can with low gas to try.

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I'm on the lookout for a HUB can with low gas to try

The SiCo VelosK would likely be the best bet there, as the Surefire HUB adapter's added length won't make it overly long. I don't know of anyone else making a flow can that sort.

HUX Ventum is another option I’m seeing recommended a lot.

That one looks interesting and I ordered it. it disassembles which is a new one for me on rifle cans.
There doesn't seem to be any decent way to know in advance if your hub device will play with a certain suppressor. Hux has an approved list but you are never going to see this surefire adapter on it.

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That one looks interesting and I ordered it. it disassembles which is a new one for me on rifle cans.

Yeah, it's a really neat design. Being able to take the core out for servicing, or just direct replacement dropping a newly printed core in if it gets worn out or damaged is really handy.

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There doesn't seem to be any decent way to know in advance if your hub device will play with a certain suppressor. Hux has an approved list but you are never going to see this surefire adapter on it.

In which way? Do you mean in terms of blast chamber length/depth clearance for muzzle devices? This video at this timestamp seems to give the impression that it's pretty generous. I'd be surprised if your Surefire stuff doesn't just drop right in.

I realize now that I lied. The Velos is not HUB; it uses SiCo Charlie mounts. That's really dumb.

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Do you mean in terms of blast chamber length/depth clearance for muzzle devices?

yes. You would think every mfg. would just tell you the max length and away you go to figure out what will work or won't.
B&T has already issued a bulletin that some of the Surefire flash hiders need the hub adapter to be modified. wtf. can't these people test stuff, its not like there are a million options.