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Shot with three friends last night; we paid attention to our visible flash signatures. Griffin M4SDK on a 10.3" had the least flash, of the host/silencer combos used. Second place was a SiCo Specwar on a 11.5" The worst performance was kind of a toss-up; a Gemtech Halo on a 11.5" had a flash similar to the better performers, only longer; a YHM TurboK on a 10" had a shorter, but wider flash. The Specwar and Halo lack any sort of scalloping on the end cap; the TurboK is scalloped in three directions, around the exit aperture; and the Griffin has stubby little prongs.

What have other folks experienced, in terms of muzzle flash with their silencers?
 
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As you know I run surefire cans so I can't really compare it to anything but a bare surefire FH muzzle device. But in the night shoots I have done I would describe it as simply non existent. I'm running longer barrels and that may be most of the improvement but its really not much.


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I just got in a flash hiding end cap for my Sandman-K.



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in the night shoots I have done I would describe it as simply non existent. I'm running longer barrels and that may be most of the improvement but its really not much.

Have you been able to view the weapon from the side? I imagine that a small flash would be hard to see, from the shooters perspective. I have a RC2 set back for me, but it's in line (financially) behind the B&T RBS, so it'll be a little while. I'll be using it primarily on shorter barrels, of course, so I'll report my findings, in that application.
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in the night shoots I have done

Do you employ night vision, hrcjon? If you do, I'd be very eager to read any contributions you may have to the night vision and thermal thread.
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I just got in a flash hiding end cap for my Sandman-K.

If you're able/willing, I'd be curious to know your impressions of a side by side comparison.
 
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KSGM I was hesitating to post my thoughts on this flash issue as its really not a comparison like yours and its from behind the rifle. But my experience includes a lot of rounds inside and flash is one of those things that bounces off everything inside so its very noticeable even if you can't see it directly from the side. I'll do my best to see if I can get someone to take a picture the next time we shoot at night (but won't be for awhile as that's a winter thing). Yes I have NV and I thought I had been monitoring that thread for things I might contribute, but maybe I've been a slaker.


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I’ll grab a body cam and try to take video with both end caps.



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Relevant video I came across. More to say in the NV thread...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq6chWmOXpc
 
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finally got to it. 300blk with subsonic ammo.


with flash hider



without flash hider






both had first round flash. with the flash hider, it's smaller. Guessing it wasn't worth it for me to buy. lol



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Well, as you said, the FH cap makes a difference. The flash you're getting out of it, with that gun and ammo, is about what I am seeing from my short 5.56 guns, on every shot; presumably even brighter on the first shot.
 
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Rugged makes a flash hiding end cap with much more aggressive tines than most. SiCo seems to produce limited numbers of flash hider end caps for their Sakers (also with lengthy tines); as luck would have it my LGS had one of these. I intend to prove (or disprove) it's efficacy on a friend's Saker, and, if it proves effective, I'll likely have it welded to the front of a Gemtech Trek.
 
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I have the shorty KAC CQB QDC.
Out of the 11.5” AR15 with the MAMs brake, I definitely see some flash on occasion - maybe 5-10 out of 30 rounds?
With the KAC Flash hider On my 11.5” MCX, i see far less flash, if any. Maybe 1 or 2 rounds of a mag. But that’s from my perspective as the shooter.

Without the suppressor, the KAC 3 prong is very effective at flash signature mitigation. The MAMS is a fireball that is a very good recoil mitigator.

The suppressor does have some shape to the business end, but i dont know how much it affects flash.



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It does often seem as though an unsuppressed weapon with an effective hider has less flash than a silencer. Much of this discussion is very ammo dependent as well. It seems the Hornady Black 75gr Interlock "HD SBR" comes highly recommended, when it comes to low/no flash.

There's a tuber called kitbadger, who has a few neat videos of various setups, cans/devices, and ammunitions shooting a few rounds in the dark.

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Well, it turns out FH end caps just don't really do anything; at least not the Saker ones. I am disappointed, and pretty surprised. This was on a 10" 5.56, which is admittedly a difficult host.

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