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Good evening, SF. As usual, I've got questions.


Here's the setup:
- We've got in mind to prepare a Form 1 for an SBR.
- Section 4 asks about the caliber, barrel length, and overall length.
- We haven't yet purchased an upper for this rifle, so we can't really answer the length questions.

The trust does own a short upper already. Could we measure from that one to derive the length answers? And would that preclude using a different upper later?

Thanks again, all.




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Put whatever length you think you might want to do. Using an upper you already have is as good as anything. You can freely change lengths from what’s on the Form 1 at any time.
 
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Thank you very much. I do appreciate the help.




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Do you have to notify if you change the length? How do you go about the notification process?
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Put whatever length you think you might want to do. Using an upper you already have is as good as anything. You can freely change lengths from what’s on the Form 1 at any time.




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Do you have to notify if you change the length? How do you go about the notification process?


Directly from the Form 1:

The registrant must notify the NFA Division in writing, of any change to the description of the firearm(s) in item 4.

Whether people do or don’t, that’s their own thing, but this is what it says.
 
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Got it, thanks!

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:
Do you have to notify if you change the length? How do you go about the notification process?


Directly from the Form 1:

The registrant must notify the NFA Division in writing, of any change to the description of the firearm(s) in item 4.

Whether people do or don’t, that’s their own thing, but this is what it says.




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it has been my uderstanding that requirement is for a permenant change. Which is why I have always respected the rule to be able to put it back in the approved configuration.
No idea if that's what is the best NFA advice, but its what I do. On a permenant change you notify by sending a letter to the NFA branch.


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So, if we play the semantics game... I could, theoretically, swap uppers at will during a range day, putting the rifle back to the documented configuration when I go putting things away, and not have any hassle about it.

Maybe? Smile




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So, if we play the semantics game... I could, theoretically, swap uppers at will during a range day, putting the rifle back to the documented configuration when I go putting things away, and not have any hassle about it.

Maybe? Smile


Yes.

If you have a registered SBR AR, say papered for a 5.56mm 10.5” barrel, you could take it to the range with other uppers and swap to your heart’s content. 5.5” 9mm, 8” .300BO, 10” 5.7x28mm…so long as you are not permanently changing the configuration from what was approved. If you decide you never want a 10.5” 5.56mm upper ever again, you can notify the ATF of the permanent modification via letter so they can update the registry.
 
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I don't think its just you swap them at at the range and put it back when you go home. I think you can leave it in whatever configuration you want for however long you want till asked to put it back or you permenentaly decide to change the 'registered' configuration.


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…so long as you are not permanently changing the configuration from what was approved. If you decide you never want a 10.5” 5.56mm upper ever again, you can notify the ATF of the permanent modification via letter so they can update the registry.


That makes sense.


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I don't think its just you swap them at at the range and put it back when you go home. I think you can leave it in whatever configuration you want for however long you want till asked to put it back or you permenentaly decide to change the 'registered' configuration.


I like it. Thank you all.




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Big thing to remember is that changing the configuration won’t get you prosecuted. That’s all that matters.


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And that's key. Thank you.




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