ATF says it is removing the CLEO notification requirement from NFA registration forms

It’s about damned time. What a waste of paper, postage, and time for everyone involved.

Can any of our LEOs share any instances of departments changing policies, protocols, schedules, etc based on these CLEO notices? Has any department leader ever said “Well hell…looks like Bob just got four Ma Deuces. We should step up patrols in his area”?

Not here. Like smudge said, it's just a waste of time, postage, and paper. I was down on the indoor range one time at the Sheriff's department and the Sheriff (who was a gun collector himself) happened to walk in and when he saw me said he saw my letter come across his desk and asked what fun new toys I was getting, lol.

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Originally posted by Creeping_Death:
Can any of our LEOs share any instances of departments changing policies, protocols, schedules, etc based on these CLEO notices? Has any department leader ever said “Well hell…looks like Bob just got four Ma Deuces. We should step up patrols in his area”?

Patrols for what? In case one of them gets loose and runs amuck in the neighborhood?

CLEO notifications were always dumb. In my old job, there were certain companies that wouldn’t transfer the item to the individual until after receipt of the notification by LEN.

There’s no state or federal regulations on retention of notification. So, they would get routed to me. I’d hold on to them for a month or so in case a company called. And then they met the shredder.

So it’s dumb.

Good. My first suppressor was on an individual Form 4 instead of my trust like all of my others. Since this and the tax are going bye-bye, I'm going to transfer it to my trust via another Form 4.

Haven't had any in the city I work for but I have submitted it to the chiefs in the cities I've lived in and run into them during continuing ed classes. The one time, one chief was like you don't have to keep sending me these things, I just throw them away. You have more suppressors and sbrs than my PD. lol

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Originally posted by jljones:
CLEO notifications were always dumb. In my old job, there were certain companies that wouldn’t transfer the item to the individual until after receipt of the notification by LEN.

Imagine what is was like walking into a rural Mississippi sheriff's department in the early 1980s and trying to get a country sheriff to fill out his portion of my application for a Colt M16a1 carbine. He thought I was nuts. After 3 visits and a trip to the county attorneys office, he eventually filled it out.

Perhaps this is in the discussion and I’ve missed it or maybe it was something that changed before this most recent rule, but did the old “notice” requirement make it possible for the CLEO to refuse to allow the transfer?

That was my understanding at one time. Many years ago when I asked about an NFA item at a Colorado shop, I was told that the Denver chief of police wouldn’t approve any even though there were no legal restrictions at the time. Also, and although I didn’t need to worry about it where I lived later, a trust eliminated the notification requirement. Why the difference was never clear, but I just assumed it was in the category of “There’s no reason for it; it’s just policy.”

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Perhaps this is in the discussion and I’ve missed it or maybe it was something that changed before this most recent rule, but did the old “notice” requirement make it possible for the CLEO to refuse to allow the transfer?

Not under this old "notification" requirement, but they could under the even older "approval" requirement.

It was changed in 2016 to remove the requirement to obtain a CLEO approval signature, and changed to just CLEO notification.

And after a decade of just requiring notification, now they're dropping even the remaining notification part.

Thank you. Now I understand.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Perhaps this is in the discussion and I’ve missed it or maybe it was something that changed before this most recent rule, but did the old “notice” requirement make it possible for the CLEO to refuse to allow the transfer?

Not under this old "notification" requirement, but they could under the even older "approval" requirement.

It was changed in 2016 to remove the requirement to obtain a CLEO approval signature, and changed to just CLEO notification.

And after a decade of just requiring notification, now they're dropping even the remaining notification part.

It was also one of the reasons dudes did the trust thing as I believe trusts were always notification only.