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Be Careful What You Wish For... |
Hang on, now, I'm not talking about mob rule. I know the distinctions between democracy and republic and constitutional and unconstitutional. What I'm asking is that if the proper channels are followed to enact laws contrary to the Constitution and the American way of life, or if the appropriate channels are followed to change the Constitution to then allow previously unconstitutional laws, do these un-American laws suddenly have the right to exist because the appropriate channels were used to create them? ____________________________________________________________ Georgeair: "...looking around my house this morning, it's not easily defended for long by two people in the event of real anarchy. The entryways might be slick for the latecomers though...." | |||
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delicately calloused |
The Leftist agenda is never acceptable to freedom loving moral and selfless people. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Well, I think you are conflating what "American" and our constitutional government means. "American way of life" and "un-American" is subjective. The Congress, President, Supreme Court and the Constitution are not. If the damn leftists do what you beg, then that will be the way it is . I won't abide it, but my alternative would be to move to Belize. I am from Mississippi and understand what happens when the US Army marches. | |||
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| Be Careful What You Wish For... |
It is most certainly not subjective. The attributes of the American way of life are both written down in the Constitution and other writings by the Founding Fathers, and known worldwide by, well, pretty much everyone. Ask a bushman in Africa, a pseudo-intellectual Marxist in Europe, a Chinese businessman, and they're all going to give you the same answer as to what makes America America. It's self-determination, a chance at opportunity, personal responsibility, and, for the most part, an upstanding moral bearing. ____________________________________________________________ Georgeair: "...looking around my house this morning, it's not easily defended for long by two people in the event of real anarchy. The entryways might be slick for the latecomers though...." | |||
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No, because much of what they want is un-Constitutional. If they have the horsepower to get it amended, then yes, but they don't, hence the constant end-runs runs around it to the courts. “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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| Slayer of Agapanthus |
Tyranny is tryanny. Failure is failure. Ask the Venezualans. "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye". The Little Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupery, pilot and author, lost on mission, July 1944, Med Theatre. | |||
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How many people have you talked to internationally? While I have gotten that answer from some people, that is not the usual discussion that people of other countries have conceived of when broaching the subject of America with me, especially the last bit (no matter how much I disagree with them).This message has been edited. Last edited by: Oregon, ___________________________________________ "Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" -Dr. Thaddeus Venture | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
I've gotta ask - will the election that puts the leftist agenda in place be the last free election held? Y'see, I'm trying to tell myself that the O Era was something De Toqueville would explain away as a learning experience. | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
Tyranny of the masses. Just because 99% of the people believe you are wrong, that doesn't make it so. I voted no. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
... and we will continue to fight for the Founders vision of ordered liberty through the structure of a written Constitution. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| delicately calloused |
I expect our numbers to decrease while the Left's numbers increase as the conflict progresses. Freedom is hard and messy. The gilded trap of Leftism is seductive in its appeal to the base desires of the unrefined individual and those who prey on them. At some point, if history predicts, there will need to be an actual war since Leftism is a Ponzy scheme and cannot survive without compulsory participation. Unfortunately those of us tethered to conservative principles cannot escape the conflict looming. There is no new world to which to flee. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
If the masses vote to make murder legal, is it acceptable?? If the masses vote to make slavery legal, is it acceptable? | |||
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Excellent post, DF. President Reagan was talking about a different (and IMO much less dangerous) enemy, but this video is still right on target: When a thing is funny, search it carefully for a hidden truth. - George Bernard Shaw | |||
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That’s a hard nein. Never acceptable to violate the constitution, even if it’s done by majority vote. Amend the constitution if you have the votes to and then acceptable is arguable. Would still be immoral though. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
I can't see that video too many times. It was a different time, but President Reagan was talking about the same enemy. Then, the socialist/communist leftists only controlled Cuba in the Western hemisphere. Since then, they have been emboldened right here in America through saturation indoctrination through "mainstream" media, Hollywood entertainment (popular culture) and most of all through public education. Darth is right:
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Be Careful What You Wish For... |
I will certainly agree that respect for these qualities has diminished worldwide, and that because of this many of the traits traditionally associated with the American way of life are not nearly as recognized or spoken about as they once were, but given my recent interactions with immigrants, and what I know historically to be true, I maintain that the stereotype of "America" is as alive as it ever was, even if now relegated to the back bench and not often spoken about in popular conversation. ____________________________________________________________ Georgeair: "...looking around my house this morning, it's not easily defended for long by two people in the event of real anarchy. The entryways might be slick for the latecomers though...." | |||
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In eighth grade, we spent six weeks studying The Constitution. That was 35 years ago. Do they still do that? | |||
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Is it acceptable? Half the population allegedly thinks so. But, it is unsustainable no matter what half the population believes. The leftist agenda is about like gun control. The reason why it has never worked anywhere is they think they just need more of it to make it work. | |||
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| Ammoholic |
I’m not a Constitutional Scholar, so I may have this wrong, but my understanding is that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. As a result, any unconstitutional law is prima fascia Null and void*. My understanding is that the only appropriate channel would be amending the Constitution. If they come up with the horsepower to do that we have a real problem, and it is one that is well past either a soap box or a ballot box solution. ETA: *Granted, it will likely take some time and considerable legal battling to establish this fact. | |||
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Certainly not many. Not that it's a bad sentiment, but it isn't even that widespread here, much less abroad. Conversely, sadly, a great many (surely a majority) think nothing of the sort. To many we're loud, arrogant, obnoxious, bullies, who try to and effectively do run the world. We're the new guy on the block who is (to them) uncultured, and walks in on day one and starts telling everyone else how its gonna be. We fund regime change, revolutions, many battles that ultimately cost innocent lives worldwide, and those are simply the basics. I'm fine with most of it, mind you, because I, too, think: fuck them / America first. But yeah, that's certainly not the prevailing opinion, here or abroad. | |||
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