Van in Toronto kills nine

April 24, 2018, 10:42 AM

Rightwire

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
“They are taught to use as little force as possible in any given situation”

The same concept is being pushed in this country (well, California anyway) with proposed legislation that ups the use of force requirement for police from “reasonable” to “necessary.” I swear, getting old enough to see the end of the line coming isn’t all bad.

Back around 1984/85 I was training in the martial arts and my father was a Reserve Sheriff Deputy. He had just completed a training on force/restraint and we were comparing notes.

In that day it was meet force with force. If the guy wants to fight, you fight. If he pulls a club, knife, etc, the you could pull your night stick. If he had a gun, you could use yours, IF he was threatening.

Even at a young age I found this to be an absurd concept. Two equal forces cancel providing net zero. A police officer has to win, so how on earth could you have a policy where officers are placed in a net zero situation??

Then the Miami incident occurred in 86 and things changed. It was amazing how fast the department he was with came around to countering force with a higher level of force to assure compliance without having to employ said force. Seemed smarter then.....

April 24, 2018, 11:32 AM

tacfoley

quote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:
quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
“They are taught to use as little force as possible in any given situation”

The same concept is being pushed in this country (well, California anyway) with proposed legislation that ups the use of force requirement for police from “reasonable” to “necessary.” I swear, getting old enough to see the end of the line coming isn’t all bad.

Back around 1984/85 I was training in the martial arts and my father was a Reserve Sheriff Deputy. He had just completed a training on force/restraint and we were comparing notes.

In that day it was meet force with force. If the guy wants to fight, you fight. If he pulls a club, knife, etc, the you could pull your night stick. If he had a gun, you could use yours, IF he was threatening.

Even at a young age I found this to be an absurd concept. Two equal forces cancel providing net zero. A police officer has to win, so how on earth could you have a policy where officers are placed in a net zero situation??

Then the Miami incident occurred in 86 and things changed. It was amazing how fast the department he was with came around to countering force with a higher level of force to assure compliance without having to employ said force. Seemed smarter then.....

I agree 100%. As a young boy of nine, I was daily insulted - called a 'kike', 'stinkin' Jesus-killin' yid' et al - and pushed around by the class bully - for a while. Until one day, when he started mouthing off at another victim, I picked up half a building brick from a handy pile being used to renovate our school, and hit him around the head with it. I had to be hauled off by a couple of teachers, and so did he, but by an ambulance.

He was away for about three months, and when he came back, he talked kinda funny and couldn't keep looking in one place - limped a bit, too, I recall. But he kept his mouth shut, that's for sure.

tac

April 24, 2018, 03:18 PM

dsmack

Sounds like "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" to me... He earned his comeuppance through repeated assaults.

Good on ya, tac!

April 24, 2018, 09:46 PM

maxdog

Tac was able to find a way to change the fellow’s way of thinking, and speaking, simply by using “solid logic”. Saves a lot of time over using rhetoric and reason. This method is especially useful when the subject is too dense to understand rhetoric and reason. Great use of problem solving skills using “solid” field tested behavior modification techniques. Only wish I had employed more of the same in my youth.

April 24, 2018, 10:05 PM

jjkroll32

quote:
Originally posted by arfmel:
"The officer who didn’t shoot is helping us remember what “being Canadian” means. #thankyou #didntshoot "

Glad I'm not Canadian, then.

Needs to take some lessons from Sergeant at Arms Kevin Vickers from the Oct 2014 Attacks at the House of Commons

April 24, 2018, 11:28 PM

Puckpilot78

Maybe instead of a trial they should just take the guy out for a couple Molsons and some poutine and politely ask him to not kill any more people?

Next thing you know they'll have women apologizing for not having sex with him which apparently was a factor in his trip to crazyville.

April 25, 2018, 01:40 AM

P220 Smudge

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Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
Next thing you know they'll have women apologizing for not having sex with him which apparently was a factor in his trip to crazyville.

Yep, saw something earlier saying he had posted references to "incel" on Facebook. I had to look it up. It means "involuntarily celibate," guys who don't get or can't get laid who are really mad at women about it.

April 25, 2018, 04:43 AM

thunderson

^ Good Grief. If you can't get laid in Toronto.........

April 25, 2018, 07:52 AM

YooperSigs

The whole "incel" thing is part of a segment of men who no longer wish to pursue or maintain relationships with women. It is also called MGTOW. It has gained traction thanks to destructive divorce, child custody and support issues, and harsher (and false) criminal charges stemming from domestic violence law. The MGTOW types are pissed off but the "incel" types can actually advocate violence toward women.

April 25, 2018, 09:44 AM

jsbcody

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
“They are taught to use as little force as possible in any given situation”

The same concept is being pushed in this country (well, California anyway) with proposed legislation that ups the use of force requirement for police from “reasonable” to “necessary.” I swear, getting old enough to see the end of the line coming isn’t all bad.

And Chicago. They just decided that an officer shooting a bat swinging crazy guy was unjustified. The case was ruled justified by the department and prosecutor a couple years ago. The new "ci-villain oversight board of second guessing, appeasing the mob" (made up of anti police activists) re opened the case and using their super secret elite team of investigators decided the shooting was not justified because someone with a bat isn't a threat (I am not kidding about this) and recommended firing the officer. The Chief refused, so it went to a review by one member of the Police Board (all hand picked by mayor Short Fuck Rahm) who decided with the ci-villain review board.

If the left has their way in our country, this will be the new standard for all police and civilian use of force, including deadly force.

April 26, 2018, 07:17 AM

911Boss

I heard bout the misogynist/incel connection on the news yesterday morning.

Interesting article here about it:

https://www.vox.com/world/2018...ttack-alek-minassian

A few of the more "interesting" excerpts from the article....

"Some self-identified incels, as they call themselves, have developed an elaborate sociopolitical explanation for their sexual failures, one that centers on the idea that women are shallow, vicious, and only attracted to hyper-muscular men. They see this as a profound injustice against men like them, who suffer an inherent genetic disadvantage through no fault of their own. A small radical fringe believes that violence, especially against women, is an appropriate response — that an “Incel Rebellion” or “Beta [Male] Uprising” will eventually overturn the sexual status quo."

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"Incel, explained

When we talk about “incels,” we are not talking about all men who are not having sex. Instead, we are talking about a specific subculture of people in various internet forums — subreddits like r/braincels, the cruel troll chat forum 4chan, and dedicated websites like incels.me.

Beyond their shared frustration with not having sex, the incel community is not monolithic. Many of them are simply sad and lonely men, suffering from extreme social anxiety or deep depression. Some of these moderate incels actively police the extremists in their midst; in a sympathetic 2015 profile, the Washington Post’s Caitlin Dewey reported that some incel forums were set up to automatically delete any posts referencing the California shooter.

But many incels have a much more sinister, and specific, worldview — one that the Southern Poverty Law Center sees as part of a dangerous trend toward male radicalization online. These incels post obsessively about so-called “Chads,” meaning sexually successful and attractive men, and “Stacys,” attractive, promiscuous women who sleep with the Chads. Both are positioned as unattainable: The Chad is the masculine ideal, one incel men cannot emulate for reasons of poor genetics, while the Stacy is whom every incel man wants to sleep with but cannot because they aren’t a Chad."

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"But it’s not just individual women that these radical incels hate — it’s society writ large, a society that allows their perceived sexual oppression to go on. The sexual revolution, in particular, comes in for hate: They believe women being freed to make their own sexual choices, rather than being married off to men and made subordinate, is the reason women can choose to sleep with attractive men and ignore the so-called incels.

This is how inceldom becomes a political doctrine: They see themselves as a class, oppressed by a social system that’s rigged in favor of other men. One post on an incel subreddit compared their worldview to Marxism, with incels playing the part of the proletariat and Chad the bourgeoisie. The natural corollary of this idea is clear: If the root of the problem is an unfair social system, then there needs to be a revolution to change it.

This is where the idea of the “Incel Rebellion” that Minassian referenced comes from — sometimes called “Beta Uprising” on incel forums, a reference to beta males. There’s no centralized planning, no incel equivalent to of Osama bin Laden. There are just men on various online forums celebrating violence and forming a mutually supportive echo chamber that justifies harming others, especially women, in the name of the incel uprising."

I guess this takes the entitlement mentality to a whole new level of perversion....