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Memorandum of Law: The Legality Of Income Taxation In The "50 States" Of The Union "Following his resignation, T. Coleman Andrews, who served as IRS Commissioner for nearly 3 years during the early 1950s, made the following statement: Congress [in implementing the Sixteenth Amendment] went beyond merely enacting an income tax law and repealed Article IV of the Bill of Rights [the 4th Amendment], by empowering the tax collector to do the very things from which that article says we were to be secure. It opened up our homes, our papers and our effects to the prying eyes of government agents and set the stage for searches of our books and vaults and for inquiries into our private affairs whenever the tax men might decide, even though there might not be any justification beyond mere cynical suspicion. The income tax is bad because it has robbed you and me of the guarantee of privacy and the respect for our property that were given to us in Article IV of the Bill of Rights. This invasion is absolute and complete as far as the amount of tax that can be assessed is concerned. Please remember that under the Sixteenth Amendment, Congress can take 100% of our income anytime it wants to. As a matter of fact, right now it is imposing a tax as high as 91%. This is downright confiscation and cannot be defended on any other grounds. The income tax is bad because it was conceived in class hatred, is an instrument of vengeance and plays right into the hands of the communists. It employs the vicious communist principle of taking from each according to his accumulation of the fruits of his labor and giving to others according to their needs, regardless of whether those needs are the result of indolence or lack of pride, self-respect, personal dignity or other attributes of men. The income tax is fulfilling the Marxist prophecy that the surest way to destroy a capitalist society is by steeply graduated taxes on income and heavy levies upon the estates of people when they die. As matters now stand, if our children make the most of their capabilities and training, they will have to give most of it to the tax collector and so become slaves of the government. People cannot pull themselves up by the bootstraps anymore because the tax collector gets the boots and the straps as well. The income tax is bad because it is oppressive to all and discriminates particularly against those people who prove themselves most adept at keeping the wheels of business turning and creating maximum employment and a high standard of living for their fellow men. I believe that a better way to raise revenue not only can be found but must be found because I am convinced that the present system is leading us right back to the very tyranny from which those, who established this land of freedom, risked their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to forever free themselves... The Federal income tax also happens to be wholly unconstitutional and as such unlawful to forcefully impose, which is precisely why the IRS engages in legal trickery when stealing from We the People. Under color of law, blatant fraud, and ignorance of law, the unconstitutional imposition of direct and un-apportioned taxation (i.e. “income” taxes) was foisted upon We the People. This is not “anti-government” conspiracy theory; this is legal fact." More details at Article source | ||
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OK So what is this better way? I'm open to any and all ideas? To quote G. Gordan Liddy from many years back, "Government exists to provide services that the people either cannot or will not provide as individuals." So if you start with that presumption, then you need to figure out a way to allocate resources to provide those services. If you have better ideas that income tax let's hear them.
No, it isn't legal fact. It is one person's opinion of the law. Great straw man argument, however. | |||
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Prepared for the Worst, Providing the Best |
I don't have a problem paying income tax. What I have a problem with is how they use it. Fix the infrastructure, fund the military, and pay for the basic operations of government. That's their job. Stick to those things...the things that the Constitution specifically empowered them to do...and do those things well. Get rid of the bloat and stop pushing the boundaries of that empowerment to try to include and control everything else. | |||
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Looks like the preamble to the 'there's no law requiring you to pay income taxes' conspiracy. Year V | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
With all due respect to the late G. Gordon Liddy, a very smart man to whom I enjoyed listening, I think he's wrong about the purpose of government. The "statement of purpose" can be found in our most famous founding document, the Declaration of Independence in 1776: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.—That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. The majority of these "services" that the people either cannot or will not provide as individuals" consist of wealth transfer programs which are antithetical to the founder's vision of the purpose of government, which is basically to preserve individual liberty. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Of course, there is a law: the 16th Amendment. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
the Constitution permits three classes of taxation: 1. Direct taxes, which must be apportioned among the states in proportion to their populations; 2. “Indirect taxes,” specifically duties, imposts, and excises, which must be uniform throughout the country; and 3. Income taxes on humans (as opposed to businesses or other entities), which may apply to income derived from a source. A Brief History of U.S. Tax Law https://constitutioncenter.org...rticle-i/clauses/757 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
I believe the better way is a consumption based tax rather than an income based tax. It would certainly be more private and it would keep government smaller. 2. “Indirect taxes,” specifically duties, imposts, and excises, which must be uniform throughout the country "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Ammoholic |
Yeah, I like the idea of not having to pay taxes, particularly given how the federal government misspends the funds we send it, but this sounds an awful lot like sovereign citizen stuff. | |||
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No More Mr. Nice Guy |
Only a "Taxpayer" as defined in law is required to pay income taxes. It is a word with a legal definition, not just a common usage word. Go down that rabbit hole and the legality is less than certain. Since the IRS has infinite resources to crush any individual, we pay sickeningly large sums every year rather than fight the system. | |||
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Still finding my way |
Taxation is theft. No exceptions. Those with Stockholm Syndrome will argue that but they are wrong. | |||
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No More Mr. Nice Guy |
Since the federal government has no apparent intention of ever paying off the debt or even balancing the budget, why bother collecting income taxes? It is nothing more than a pretense of needing funding if they simply print currency and borrow against imaginary future solvency. Fedgov has lived off of modern monetary theory for the last 60 years already! | |||
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Internet Guru |
Just thinking about it is taxing. | |||
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Yew got a spider on yo head |
If you are happy to pay these assholes your money, you are very charitable indeed. I'm worn out and rode hard, myself. The argument for taxation is completely fallacious, and socialist at its core. This country didn't have income tax until the federal reserve and central banks figured out how to fleece the population. Giving the government money is like giving a hoarder a bigger house, they will find a way to fill it with shit. The government's job is to facilitate infrastructure and free trade, and get out of the way. Of course that principle only holds up for a citizenship with principals. The left enables communism by spreading chaos and destruction, and now some people think they need to be saved by politicians who are in reality good for nothing. | |||
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Still finding my way |
Like say....flooding a country with 3rd world problems in the name of DIVERSITY? | |||
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Yew got a spider on yo head |
Western suicidal altruism is real. | |||
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delicately calloused |
How did they get the income tax passed? They promised it would only be collected from the top 1% of the population, the wealthy. Make them pay their fair share. Progressivism captured the rest of the population later. Now there are so many taxes that it’s difficult to sum them up. The tax man likes it that way. They have also turned on citizen against the next. ‘If I have to pay then he should have to’ we become legitimizing snitches. As with all scams, they use envy, avarice, greed and covetousness against their target. Next, because there’s no reverence for the sacrifice of the people for taxes, it is now wasted on so much fraud, abuse and unbridled spending. Worse, when the sum of the revenue falls short of the spending, the printing presses roll. This steals the value of the money we’re allowed to keep. In effect, they’ve gradually captured the population by taking our produce and accumulation. I know modern government needs to be funded, but not this way and not with such unaccountability. There’s another way out there but no one who can is motivated to do anything about it. The unsustainability of it will one day collapse the economy and even sooner if Leftism continues to drag it down by the throat. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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No More Mr. Nice Guy |
A good overview of the Fed's missions, including the unspoken one. The whole video is worth watching, though starting at 10:04 gets to the meat of the issue. https://youtu.be/6ZQFEna0iV4?si=EY7sMYBhtK3kJ5vf | |||
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My favorite description of the government is that it is an insurance company with an army. The most effective safety is between your ears | |||
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chellim1, I must respectfully disagree with your position on this. You are citing the Declaration of Independence. That document did not found or establish our current government. That was done by the Constitution. The purpose of that government is very succinctly stated in the preamble:
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