Shotgun for the win.

Recently started practicing with my Benelli M1 and 870s again. Girlfriend (5'1") likes the M1 and my 12 1/2 inch SBS 870, she did at least 20 rounds the last time using the SBS, 5+ of them 00 buck or slugs. 870 is hammer but she's a trooper and keeps at it.

Like that footwork. No hesitation

IT doesn't matter if it's a #9 Skeet load or 00 BUck, at less tan 15 feet you'll be firing a compacted mass of lead weighing between 1 to 2 ounces at a velocity between 1200 and 1700 fps. That is why a 12 gage is so absolutely devastating. BTW, if you have concerns about over penetration a load of Bird Shot is stopped a lot faster by interior walls that 00 buck would be.

As for me, I'm a bit of a Shotgun nut. Shot 8 rounds of Skeet last Sunday. My choice for Home Defense is a Remington 870 Home and Field Edition. Have the 20 inch barrel mounted with 4 rounds of #1 Buck in the tube and one more in the chamber. Someone kicks in my door and they won't get any Chak Chak warning but if they listen close they may hear the snick as the safety comes off. After that it's Boom Chaka Chaka Boom chaka chaka ta dah.

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Originally posted by radioman:


tis but a scratch
It's just a flesh wound

No, it's not. Your head's off!

No choke hold required here!

I don't recall hearing any news concerning the protests following this incident.

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Originally posted by randyman:
No choke hold required here!

I don't recall hearing any news concerning the protests following this incident.

This was back when it was ok for Cops to be Cops.

Yeah, I could make that shot at the range .

But not with the adrenaline dump and sprinting to the scene. Damn good shot.

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Originally posted by DennisM:

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Originally posted by RichardC:
I have a question about LE issued, duty-use shotguns:

Are they always fixed choke barrels, so that there is no question/variation in the close encounter shot patterns
at 10, 20, thirty feet?

Modern ones? Virtually always fixed choke, improved cylinder.

Kidcop is spot-on about FC ammo. We start our quals with a "patterning" check. On my issued 870P (14") at 10 yards all of the 00 pellets in the pattern can be easily covered by my fist.

Modified choke on current production 14" 870 Police models.

Mossberg 590 here, just in case. It's one of the models (usually the ones with ghost ring sights a year or two back) with choke tube barrels and a cylinder choke installed. I went to improved cylinder. Bayonet lug is handy also.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I, too, prefer carbines or rifles, but I do have a shotgun and to maintain my proficiency I use it on occasion with a reactive targets (steel plates) course I developed. One thing I stress with other users of the weapon is that it’s possible to miss despite its being a “scattergun” and using birdshot for training. At the close range the officer fired from, and especially with buckshot or a slug, that’s even more possible. He definitely did everything right, including the marksmanship.

At that range the pattern is 2 inches, more or less. Most people don't realize that.

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Originally posted by rat2306:
Mossberg 590 here, just in case. It's one of the models (usually the ones with ghost ring sights a year or two back) with choke tube barrels and a cylinder choke installed. I went to improved cylinder. Bayonet lug is handy also.

Other than the obvious choice of mounting a bayonet on the end, what else is the lug useful for?

you gotta wonder ,who looks at a shotgun muzzle and says to themselves,
"I can beat this" ?

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Originally posted by Warhorse:

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Originally posted by rat2306:
Mossberg 590 here, just in case. It's one of the models (usually the ones with ghost ring sights a year or two back) with choke tube barrels and a cylinder choke installed. I went to improved cylinder. Bayonet lug is handy also.

Other than the obvious choice of mounting a bayonet on the end, what else is the lug useful for?

Just bayonets; I have an M7, an M9 is on my wish list.

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Originally posted by bendable:
you gotta wonder ,who looks at a shotgun muzzle and says to themselves,
"I can beat this" ?

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Not sure what the now ex-girlfriend was doing with the other cop.
Looks like one of them had their arm fully straight out to the other for some reason.
Sounds like the perp had already killed a few other ex's and intended to kill her but his gun failed to fire.

See my post a page back - Quote from Youtube comments -
Jonny Mac
2 weeks ago
He killed her mother and father, and beat her boyfriend. That is her ez boyfriend. She said "he shot my dad" because he killed her parents. I am assuming she didn't know he killed both of them at that point in time.'

"A shotgun can be a fight stopper".

I witnessed it. Prison yard fight (Philly vs. Pittsburgh gangs)

Nearby Tower officer walked onto the catwalk and chambered a round in his shotgun.

Gang fight stopped.

The hostage was very lucky,the shooter (good Guy) new the BG killed her Parents
and boy friend and was definitely going to kill her. Knowing this, the Cop
didn't intend to negotiate. Well Done!!

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I, too, prefer carbines or rifles, but I do have a shotgun and to maintain my proficiency I use it on occasion with a reactive targets (steel plates) course I developed. One thing I stress with other users of the weapon is that it’s possible to miss despite its being a “scattergun” and using birdshot for training. At the close range the officer fired from, and especially with buckshot or a slug, that’s even more possible. He definitely did everything right, including the marksmanship.

At that range the pattern is 2 inches, more or less. Most people don't realize that.

Heck, at the range in that video, especially if he was using Federal Flite Control, that shot was all still in the cup. The little "air brakes" on the shot cup may not even have opened by then.

This video has high speed footage of Flite Control leaving the muzzle: https://youtu.be/0dbZK9Lm9jQ.

It looks like it barely starts leaving the cup at about 8 yards-ish.

That's very good for the hostage, because at that range, I bet the wad to the head would be quite injurious, if not fatal, and even the shot buffer would possibly damage her eyes.

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Originally posted by Warhorse:

Other than the obvious choice of mounting a bayonet on the end, what else is the lug useful for?

Mine is threaded for the sling mount which I took off the magazine cap because it's right by the muzzle on my 20" barrel and 8 round magazine.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
I have a question about LE issued, duty-use shotguns:

Are they always fixed choke barrels, so that there is no question/variation in the close encounter shot patterns
at 10, 20, thirty feet?

Usually. The exception to my knowledge is late 90's Benelli M1's. Mine had interchangeable chokes; IC, M, and F. I used modified for a while because that made that buckshot pattern so well. That is, until, I tried to qualify with slugs. That was quite the lesson on why we use IC.