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| half-genius, half-wit |
^^^^ This. Herr Glock spent literally YEARS perfecting a system whereby the gun can only be fired when the finger has actuated that little extra 'trigger'. | |||
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Sabonim |
I too, am skeptical the events happened as described. Link to original video: https://youtu.be/yRJI3QpJGw8 Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow! What a Ride! ~Hunter S. Thompson | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Shame, wouldn't want that to happen to anyone, imagine he's having a hard time dealing with it and maybe the story is his cover like was mentioned.. The truth will eventually come out... | |||
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agree 100% i detest these 'the gun just went off' type stories ----------------------------- Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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Corgis Rock |
From the article “ his father, was also struck by the bullet fired from a gun concealed in his pants, ” Could the gun have just been in the guys pocket? With no holster? With the horseplay, there’s any number of ways for the trigger get pulled. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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It is entirely possible for a dropped Glock to fire. I have a glock 19 with a worn out trigger return spring that doesn't have enough gumption to reset the trigger fully enough to reengage the trigger blade safety. If it were dropped, the inertia could possibly "pull" the trigger, just like the P320 issue. I'm not saying it's likely or common, but it is mechanically possible. Most likely the not fully cocked striker spring would offer enough resistance to keep the trigger for moving all the way. | |||
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It's no shock here. In things I've been involved with the media rarely gets a story correctly. In fact, going over the story 3 to 4 times so that a reporter has it right really means little as far as the final product goes. The first time I experienced this I was shocked, now it's just "shurgs" thats the way they roll. Suspect that there is a final write up by the reporter, which can tweak a few things askew, then a editor gets ahold of that and decides that this goes here and that goes there, we'll drop this line (the crux of the thing) and change these words from this to that so our readers will better understand it. | |||
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Absent some defect or modification, hard to believe hitting the floor would result in a shot fired. Over time, my default has been to let things I drop fall clear. I’d rather let a few of them break than catch a knife or firearm the wrong way. | |||
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| Wait, what? |
It is possible that an altered or worn part Glock could do as described but for it to discharge and hit both of them in the HEAD does not pass the smell test. Bad writing, bad editing, bad situation all the way around. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Not really from Vienna |
The story I read a couple days ago said the father had his Glock tucked in the waistband of his pants while he and his son were wrestling. I took that to mean no holster was involved (which is probably giving too much credit to the accuracy of the reporting). | |||
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I'm not a Glock engineer / armorer but I'm pretty sure that's not possible ------------------------------------------ Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Physics coupled with a detailed investigation will reveal the cause. It will likely not be as reported. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Another case where a thumb safety might have prevented a disaster. EasyFire [AT] zianet.com ---------------------------------- NRA Certified Pistol Instructor Colorado Concealed Handgun Permit Instructor Nationwide Agent for > US LawShield > https://www.texaslawshield.com...p.php?promo=ondemand CCW Safe > www.ccwsafe.com/CCHPI | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
Well, requiring the father to lock up his firearm and ammunition (in separate locations) ALSO would have 'prevented' a 'disaster.' So would denying him the right to own a firearm in the first place (see where this logic leads?). THERE IS NOTHING WRONG with a Glock-style firearm. It just requires a competent and prudent owner. Of course, many gun owners are neither. It is not reasonable to blame the design of the gun. I have a P226 (with an external 'thumb' safety), a G23 (without one, of course), and a J-frame revolver. I carry all 3 from time to time, and I've never had any problems with either. The best safety is your brain. I believe that the most likely scenario here is that the father violated more than one of the 4 cardinal safety rules, resulting in the death of his son. Don't blame the gun on his negligence/irresponsibility. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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| Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
Say what? Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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| Freethinker |
As usual with these types of incidents there is much more assumption than warranted by the available hard information. But since we’re doing that, my suspicion is that the man shot his son, unintentionally probably, and then decided to shoot himself to make his story of its being an accident caused by dropping the gun seem more believable. I’m reminded of the Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald incident at Fort Bragg. Dropping the gun: Very possible. The gun’s discharging when dropped: All but impossible. The bullet’s hitting both father and son in the head: Not impossible, but very unlikely. I would like to know where the father’s gunshot wound was. A graze to the cheek? Although we evidently don’t know at this point, if he was able to tell the story to the police, it was probably not too serious. Other crime scene evidence would also be very significant. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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