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Originally posted by coyotedude:
Perhaps, but Iran has unexpectedly become the cockroach that is proving more adversarial than anticipated. Some of which is due to their fortuitous geographical location.

In any case, appreciate your input and advice.

Many of us prefer a cockroach over a mushroom cloud. The latter is what you may not appreciate enough, nor the NATO problem, nor the bigger picture others have described. All the complaining and moaning utterly pales in comparison.

I'm paying a Benjamin now to fill up my commuter. I don't like it but it's SMALL matter compared to the current situation. I think people who are willing to let Israel or the USA to get continuously attacked, murdered, and eventually Nuked, aren't all there, and that bothers me to think Americans have become that soft and ignorant.

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Many of us prefer a cockroach over a mushroom cloud. The latter is what you may not appreciate enough, nor the NATO problem, nor the bigger picture others have described. All the complaining and moaning utterly pales in comparison.

I'm paying a Benjamin now to fill up my commuter. I don't like it but it's SMALL matter compared to the current situation. I think people who are willing to let Israel or the USA to get continuously attacked, murdered, and eventually Nuked, aren't all there, and that bothers me to think Americans have become that soft and ignorant.

You and I may not be feel the heat of rising costs, however there are a lot of others that struggle daily for the basics, and are are affected by what you characterize as a SMALL matter.

And they will vote for those that say the magic words.
Free shit.



I’ve now seen videos of Iranian citizens gunning down IRGC and Iranian enforcers.
Finally. They’re more of a nuisance right now but their numbers are growing.
As more are trained…

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Originally posted by coyotedude:

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Many of us prefer a cockroach over a mushroom cloud. The latter is what you may not appreciate enough, nor the NATO problem, nor the bigger picture others have described. All the complaining and moaning utterly pales in comparison.

I'm paying a Benjamin now to fill up my commuter. I don't like it but it's SMALL matter compared to the current situation. I think people who are willing to let Israel or the USA to get continuously attacked, murdered, and eventually Nuked, aren't all there, and that bothers me to think Americans have become that soft and ignorant.

You and I may not be feel the heat of rising costs, however there are a lot of others that struggle daily for the basics, and are are affected by what you characterize as a SMALL matter.

I feel the heat. I'm supporting a family of 6 on one income. It's not easy. But sometimes in life you have to do hard things to accomplish the right thing. And as a constitutional republic, we as the electorate are responsible for the actions of our government.

Right or wrong, if our nation goes to war then we all need to bear some part of that cost. And the cost that we are bearing is absolutely microscopic compared to what the people in Israel, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Bahrain, Iraq, and Iran are bearing right now. Spending over $100 to fill up my truck sucks. Watching my planned vacation to Europe in the fall climb out of my ability to afford it sucks. But it sucks a whole lot less than having my family get grabbed by Hamas terrorists, my house blown up by a drone or rocket, or my kids' school get levelled by a Tomahawk. And it definitely sucks less than getting nuked.

I wish we weren't over there doing this. I'll admit I have my misgivings about the justification, but I'm also not privy to any of the intelligence and it's not my decision to make. I do know the IRGC are horrible people, and every one we eliminate makes the world a better place. And if doing what we're doing is truly preventing them from getting a bomb, then it's absolutely worth it. At this point I'm just very grateful that it looking like we've neutered their nuclear program and we're not going to commit boots on the ground to another prolonged regime change commitment that will last for years.

To summarize:

https://x.com/HarmlessHQ/status/2039265506935402809

Trump is doing business and you think he's losing the war.

The US has enough oil and as a matter of fact, the US daily oil production is the highest globally.

Trump went ahead and secured Venezuela's oil.

But France, China, India and other EU members are buying from the middle east.

Iran threatened world peace and Trump intervened.

Iran went ahead and closed the Strait of Hormuz.

Trump called on NATO and other middle east oil customers to assist with the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz.

They ignored him.

Now Trump is thinking of ending the escalation with the Strait of Hormuz still closed.

Leaving two options on the table.
* Come and buy your oil from the US.
OR
* Go to the middle east and open the Strait of Hormuz by yourself.

A win-win situation for Donald Trump and the US.



To wit, this twit:

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/2039312309525364854

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Yeah no, tossing out a bunch of weapons without knowing who's getting it is a recipe for disaster. The IRGC is lever of power but the stain that is amongst the Iranian people is the Basij.

Uh no, I clearly said coordinate with the Crown Prince and arm his followers. Being armed will let the Crown Prince's followers fight their oppressors (e.g. the basij whoa are the regime's riot control force and morality police) and take away the IRGC's internal control force.

Coordinating who gets weapons and who doesn't sounds like an impossible task when we aren't there, on the ground.

Israel does have better on the ground intelligence within Iran. Perhaps a small shipment could be coordinated and delivered successfully, but not a huge amount.

The following is from a newsletter from a Spectator.co.uk correspondent. The link below casts more nuance, since those of us not aboard, and likely even most of them, don't know what actually happened, if anything.

Andrew Cockburn
Far from highlighting American military prowess, the USS Gerald R. Ford, years late, vastly over budget and replete with new and untested technologies, epitomizes much that is wrong with the US military. Three weeks into the Iran war, the huge vessel limped into a bay in Crete, driven from the battle by what appeared to be acts of sabotage by a mutinous crew exhausted and demoralized after nine months at sea and possibly eager to force a return to home by disabling key components.

A poorly designed sewage system had largely broken down thanks to T-shirts, mops and other pipe-clogging items inserted – apparently deliberately – down many of the ship’s 650 toilets. The consequent shortage of working facilities has meant that crew members frequently face a 45-minute wait in line to relieve themselves.

More in depth weblink - yahoo.

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Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
The following is from a newsletter from a Spectator.co.uk correspondent. The link below casts more nuance, since those of us not aboard, and likely even most of them, don't know what actually happened, if anything.

If this is true, it sounds a lot like a crew infested with Biden era crossdressers; a worse level of morale than that inherited by Ronald Reagan.


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Originally posted by coyotedude:

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Many of us prefer a cockroach over a mushroom cloud. The latter is what you may not appreciate enough, nor the NATO problem, nor the bigger picture others have described. All the complaining and moaning utterly pales in comparison.

I'm paying a Benjamin now to fill up my commuter. I don't like it but it's SMALL matter compared to the current situation. I think people who are willing to let Israel or the USA to get continuously attacked, murdered, and eventually Nuked, aren't all there, and that bothers me to think Americans have become that soft and ignorant.

You and I may not be feel the heat of rising costs, however there are a lot of others that struggle daily for the basics, and are are affected by what you characterize as a SMALL matter.

I think you're missing the intended context of wrightd's comment. What I believe he's saying is it's certainly a small matter relative to the alternative path Iran was on which easily could have made it an issue orders of magnitude worse on a global scale for everyone regardless of their economic status. That's the reason for the war, is it not?

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Originally posted by TigerDore:

If this is true, it sounds a lot like a crew infested with Biden era crossdressers; a worse level of morale than that inherited by Ronald Reagan.

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If it is true, it sounds a lot like treason!

Lest we forget or never knew, during World War II Americans put up with gasoline and food rationing. And no, I’m not saying this war is equivalent to the seriousness of that one. It’s also easy for someone isn’t living paycheck to paycheck to say, “Just suck it up,” but there are times when difficulties must be endured for good reasons—or even not-so-good reasons. Failing to understand and accept that is one of the greatest dangers a nation can face.

I often think of this quotation in a book I first read in my youth:
“Without its tough spearmen, Hellenic culture would have had nothing to give the world. It would not have lasted long enough. When Greek culture became so sophisticated that its common men would no longer fight to the death, as at Thermopylae, but became devious and clever, a horde of Roman farm boys overran them.”*
— T. R. Fehrenbach, This Kind of War

* When I posted this before a member here objected to its characterization of Greek society and culture. Specifically accurate or not, though, the point it makes about nations in general is what matters.

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Originally posted by coyotedude:
You and I may not be feel the heat of rising costs, however there are a lot of others that struggle daily for the basics, and are are affected by what you characterize as a SMALL matter.

Do you think that if we ignored Iran, the threat of them becoming a nuclear power would go away? Do you believe that if we play nice, their present government will join us in a first-world utopia?



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^^^^^
And if they ever used a nuke, costs would be dozens of times higher.
That would be a much larger 'price' issue.

Yes, we are on the same page, WB.



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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
If it is true, it sounds a lot like treason!

Treason, yes. And desertion. Leaving your assignment on foot or forcing your ship to leave through sabotage seems the same.

I sincerely hope this isn't true, but if it is, I hope the guilty parties are caught and the maximum penalty is thrown at them.



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No, probably not treason as defined by the US Constitution (as has been discussed many times before), but certainly:
18 U.S. Code Chapter 105 Part I - SABOTAGE
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...8/part-I/chapter-105

One possible penalty:
18 U.S.C. § 2153
Destruction of war material, war premises, or war utilities

Imprisonment: up to 30 years
Fine: under Title 18
If death results: life imprisonment or death penalty may be imposed

Per AI: “This is one of the most serious sabotage provisions and applies when conduct is intended to interfere with U.S. or allied war or defense activities.”

Also destruction of military property under Article 108 of the UCMJ. Penalty as a court-martial may direct.

sigfreund, you're right and I think there may be several options here, depending on the circumstances, in addition to desertion and sabotage.

These are all capital crimes, punishable by death in times of war and peace under UCMJ:

81 (10 U.S.C. § 881) – Conspiracy
94 (10 U.S.C. § 894) – Mutiny or sedition
99 (10 U.S.C. § 899) – Misbehavior before the enemy (including cowardice)
103b (10 U.S.C. § 903b) – Aiding the enemy
110 (10 U.S.C. § 910) – Improper hazarding of vessel

These provisions of the UCMJ carry a death sentence if the crime is committed during times of war:

85 (10 U.S.C. § 885) – Desertion
95 (10 U.S.C. § 895) – Misbehavior of a sentinel or lookout

Some of these might be a stretch, but I think it would depend on the circumstances and the route chosen by the prosecution.



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Starmer is the male kamala.