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Originally posted by darthfuster:

For your safety and ours, we’re going to negligently discharge your weapon into your leg.

Now, see how much safer we all are?

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
Old news.

Yeah I saw the video was from a little over a year ago so that’s why I was hoping I wasn’t posting a video that already had been posted here before, but I had never seen it. I apologize if it was already posted in the past.

^^^ I don’t recall ever seeing that incident posted on here, either, although I’ve seen it on YT.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Stupid bitch showed no concern and just walked away.

Yeah that was bad. She just didn’t seem to care. You would think she would be apologizing and the one applying the tourniquet since she was the cause of his injury, but she probably doesn’t know how to do any trauma care either. Then to blame it on training.

We should probably just get back to being the police……..

Meter maids. The only job women should have in a police force.

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Originally posted by StorminNormin:

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
Old news.

Yeah I saw the video was from a little over a year ago so that’s why I was hoping I wasn’t posting a video that already had been posted here before, but I had never seen it. I apologize if it was already posted in the past.

No worries, being local I had to deal with the slow news cycle. Its a good discussion starter because, incompetence or not, disarming someone who is legally carrying, during a routine traffic stop, is an indication of weakness. This is an aspect of the us vs them mentality. They made the assumption that he was in the wrong with absolutely no indicators other then he wasn’t one of them. To be clear, this incident is not indicative of JSO. Between tickets and accidents, I have never been treated like this. The most concern about me carrying was "don’t sgow me yours and I won’t show you mine".

The sheriff removed her badge and gun and put her on desk duty that day until she was fired and owned the ambiguity of the policy. He also clarified the policy so that no one legally carrying is to be disarmed during a routine traffic stop. JSO is a pretty good dept and if any of our LEOs are looking to change departments, send me your contact info and I'll pass it on to my ex neighbor who is JSO and can answer any questions you have.

Do officers normally secure a person’s car keys during a traffic stop?

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disarming someone who is legally carrying

Which is something any of us may have to deal with.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

Do officers normally secure a person’s car keys during a traffic stop?

I don't know about current practice, I have not had the pleasure of being involved in a traffic stop for decades. Back when I was a yute and an "enthusiastic" driver, I was stopped many times, never had an officer take my keys.

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Originally posted by egregore:

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disarming someone who is legally carrying

Which is something any of us may have to deal with.

Supposedly, not in Jax anymore.

With constitutional carry passed, the ban on open carry no longer enforceable, and the smell of pot no longer an acceptable probable cause, I think policing in FL is changing faster than some agencies are keeping up with.

What really pisses me off is that instead of just owning her mistake, she tried to blame it on her training. I guarantee you she was told ad-nauseum not to put your finger on the trigger till you're ready to shoot the gun. It's very basic stuff, and part of every LE curriculum.

Nobody's perfect. Anybody can make a mistake. But what you do after speaks to your character, and she made it clear that she has none. I'm glad they didn't buy that argument and fired her.

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instead of just owning her mistake, she tried to blame it on her training

Probably trying to build up her defense in the upcoming civil lawsuit. Saying what her lawyer told her to say.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Do officers normally secure a person’s car keys during a traffic stop?

Normally, no. I don't typically take guns, either. If they inform me I thank them and tell them just to leave it where it is and not to reach for it during the stop. Over 99% of my stops go like that.

There are circumstances where I might disarm someone or take their keys, but I'd have to have an articulable reason, like they're intoxicated, outright belligerent or fail to comply with commands to stop reaching around, somehow an apparent flight risk, or I know I'm about to take them into custody.

But I work in Mayberry. Big city may be different.

It seems the biggest city in Florida has aligned itself with your reasonable approach after this incident.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Women should not be cops.

Some women should not be cops. For that matter some men shouldn’t be cops either.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Women should not be cops.

Some women should not be cops.

All women should not be cops.

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For that matter some men shouldn’t be cops either.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
What really pisses me off is that instead of just owning her mistake, she tried to blame it on her training. I guarantee you she was told ad-nauseum not to put your finger on the trigger till you're ready to shoot the gun. It's very basic stuff, and part of every LE curriculum.

Nobody's perfect. Anybody can make a mistake. But what you do after speaks to your character, and she made it clear that she has none. I'm glad they didn't buy that argument and fired her.

She did say her finger was on the trigger, so that covers that. As for the training, if policy is to remove a firearm from someone or some place as a normal function of their job (which it was and still is), then they should be trained on how to do it safely. They’re trained on how to do pat downs; they find things during them. Do they never consider/train how to remove firearms, syringes, knives, drug bags, etc. and do it safely?

That should have easily been removed from his waist with the holster he had. I’ve thought about this with my CCW, I have a Vedder light tuck, should be super simple to place your hand on the gun, pull the clip outward, and remove the gun and holster as one. Sounds like she was canned and hope he got paid. Fuckin retarded.

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Originally posted by onegeek:

She did say her finger was on the trigger, so that covers that. As for the training, if policy is to remove a firearm from someone or some place as a normal function of their job (which it was and still is), then they should be trained on how to do it safely. They’re trained on how to do pat downs; they find things during them. Do they never consider/train how to remove firearms, syringes, knives, drug bags, etc. and do it safely?

Yes, you do it without putting your finger on the freaking trigger, just like every other gun that you handle. And don't point it at people. It's not that complicated. But yes, I'm sure they also trained on removing weapons and other dangerous objects from suspects in scenario training. It's part of our basic academy curriculum.