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Originally posted by apprentice:
Assuming they don't go belly-up, looks like a good buying opportunity for their stock at the moment.
I've been looking at the Frontiers for my next vehicle, I think they check all the boxes for me.

Nice looking trucks. I hope it serves you well.

For my point of reference: my 2002 Pathfinder, a month or so ago.



If I could buy a brand-new one just like it, I'd do so... "quicker than a cat can lick its hiney."

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Originally posted by David Lee:
I got to ride in a friend's '24 model. It's sure got the electronics and I was told a 54k truck. Not cheap by golly.

He must have paid full retail plus shelled out for every last optional bell and whistle on top.

Because even MSRP on the top trim Black Edition 2025 Ridgelines is only $47k.

So if it really did cost him $54k, then that's ~$7k worth of additional accessories and fees. (Unless he's including sales tax and/or an overpriced extended warranty too, which would make that price a bit more in line with what you'd expect, but still pretty much full retail at least.)



For comparison, back in 2008 I paid $28k for my top trim Ridgeline. First and last new car I ever bought. Adjusted for inflation, that's around $41k in 2024 dollars, which will barely get you into a base trim Ridgeline now.

BTW is their ex CEO still a fugitive? A made for TV movie about Carlos Ghosen would probably make some big bucks,

2024 is the last year for the Titan. https://www.nissanoffortpierce...itan-retires-in-2024

If the Altima goes away, what will the hot, divorced, angry, RN, single mothers drive?

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Originally posted by bionic218:
If the Altima goes away, what will the hot, divorced, angry, RN, single mothers drive?

. Used BMWs.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
BTW is their ex CEO still a fugitive? A made for TV movie about Carlos Ghosen would probably make some big bucks,

He's in Beirut, France refuses to release the boat.

Nissan needs to play hardball with both. I'm sure Israel can arrange his extradition at the end of a a GBU.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by David Lee:
I got to ride in a friend's '24 model. It's sure got the electronics and I was told a 54k truck. Not cheap by golly.

He must have paid full retail plus shelled out for every last optional bell and whistle on top.

Because even MSRP on the top trim Black Edition 2025 Ridgelines is only $47k.

So if it really did cost him $54k, then that's ~$7k worth of additional accessories and fees. (Unless he's including sales tax and/or an overpriced extended warranty too, which would make that price a bit more in line with what you'd expect, but still pretty much full retail at least.)



For comparison, back in 2008 I paid $28k for my top trim Ridgeline. First and last new car I ever bought. Adjusted for inflation, that's around $41k in 2024 dollars, which will barely get you into a base trim Ridgeline now.

At 72 years age he bought a new Camaro. Two months into the Camaro, Mile decided the car was not for him. He traded into the Honda truck so he is a tad upside down in that. The Ridgelines must be selling good as I see many on the roads here.

I have a 21 Titan Pro4x and a 22 Rogue SL Premium.

I prefer both over the Ford Escape we had and the F150 we tested.

The Titan is "outdated" but honestly exactly what I wanted. A simple V-8 without cylinder deactivation or auto-stop, a column shifter, and safety features that can be overridden easy enough. Yeah it averages 16mpg, but its a truck and easily tows the 8k we need it to.

The Rogue was the right fit for our needs on the small commuter vehicle. It has the Turbo-3cyl, but gets over 34mpg with AWD. The Escape we had couldn't match that. It was priced very competitively, has a very smooth but responsive ride, and the driver assist features are handy without being overly annoying.

Nissan could do a lot better in the US if it marketed itself better, but I just get the feeling that they don't care about the US market that much.

The turbo 3cyl in the Rogue is a terrible engine mechanically. Change the oil every 5000 miles or it most certainly will self destruct. The rotating assembly is overly complex and extremely weak.

As for the CVT, change its fluid every 30k with Nissan only fluid or it will come apart before 125k.

Regular fluid changes and maintenance are mandatory on all new vehicles. They fail extremely early if not.

I’m the original owner of a 2006 Maxima SL. Overall, it’s been a decent car other than the transmission needing replacing at 70k. I still drive it to work most days even though it’s starting to nickel and dime me.

We’ve been far happier with our 2010 Mazda 6 as it has over 100k and has had nothing but brakes, tires, oil changes, and a schrader valve for the a/c. The Nissan? Transmission, radiator, power steering hoses, alternator, paint clear coat failure, and interior trim issues. Our 2014 Accord Sport 6 speed has been superior to the Nissan as well with 91k and zero issues.

When we shopped for a new sedan last year we didn’t even consider Nissan for the aforementioned transmission issues as well as the CVT horror stories we read about. We bought a 24 Lexus ES350 and after about 14 months of owning it, we are thrilled with it.

I hear good things about the Frontier but trucks in general are too expensive for what they are. If someone built one that was rock solid, I’d pay for it. And by rock solid I mean 200k of life before it started it’s decent towards the crusher.

If they would make a barebones pickup like the old hardbody again, I’d consider it for my next truck.

Here’s another article about the problem about Nissan.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...-bankrupt-honda.html

The 'real reason' for Nissan collapse revealed as car manufacturer's finance chief steps down amid bankruptcy battle

Cheap Chinese electric vehicles are being blamed for the collapse of car manufacturer Nissan.

The Japanese auto firm, which employs 7,000 people in the UK and 17,000 in the US, has embarked on a huge cost-cutting programme after suffering heavy losses.

Nissan said last month it would axe 9,000 jobs and 20 per cent of its global manufacturing capacity, as it scrambles to reduce costs by $2.6billion (£2billion) in the current fiscal year amid a sales slump in China and the US, its two biggest markets.

[more at link]

I think Nissan needs to figure out what markets they still want to try to compete in and with what type of vehicles. I think China is a lost cause; they can out produce EVs at lower cost for their own country than Nissan ever could. Looks like UK wants to kill off ICE vehicles according to the article above and only have EVs eventually, but it sounds like Nissan's products aren't up to that yet. Given what Nissan does still make and the fact that the US is still a large part of their market and there is a bit of a push back on EVs here (not as useful in this country given the climates and distances), maybe Nissan should concentrate on its US ICE products at least for the near future (and maybe other markets where EVs haven't taken a big hold yet).
ICE vehicles still sell well here and Nissan has shown themselves to be capable of making good ones.
Do a real revamp of the Titan, and spruce up/streamline their auto offerings. Find gaps in US maker's offerings and exploit them. Nissan hasn't been very good at this; they had a chance a few years back when most major US auto makers left the small pickup field leaving only Toyota and Nissan. Don't let that happen again. (Infact, a small pickup offering might do well here; everything out there now is pretty much midsize or larger and not everyone wants electronics equivalent to NASA launch control in their vehicle...)

They produce fewer and fewer Sentras and Versas to make room for more crossovers like the Rogue, Kicks, and Murano. Not to mention the kick in the teeth of the electric market. I'm neither surprised or upset at their predicament.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
...As for the CVT, change its fluid every 30k with Nissan only fluid...

^ Important point... I will never buy another vehicle before first investigating the owners manual and researching mandatory items like this...

Example, family member just got hit for required service/flush of VW CVT :$600

That's what the local VW stealership charged me for the same service on a normal automatic.

Costs me $100.

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Originally posted by David Lee:
I thought that was a great write up on the Honda truck. A truck magazine would pay him for such detailed coverage. Good job sir. I got to ride in a friend's '24 model. It's sure got the electronics and I was told a 54k truck. Not cheap by golly.

Mine is a 2019 RTL AWD. Honda really messed up that year (advantage me not them) as they added the RTL E moonroof, rear sliding glass, to the RTL trim, and this trim came with leather heated seats already, so all I had to do was add the optional OEM heated steering wheel ($500 installed) and I put in a full audio system and alarm on my own dime. I paid Honda $33,500 + TTL for mine new. Then I took that delta from E, and did PPF, lighter wheels to decrease unsprung mass and increase handling, tonneau, full audio/alarm, etc and still beat the E by a few grand. Mine came with Halogen lights, which were awful, but Honda in all their wisdom put in the same projectors as the LED E and BE, so all I had to do was buy LED bulbs and you couldn’t even tell the difference. They look and light up factory. The kicker for me was I did not want electronics, or ADAS. They brick you from modding the head unit. 2019 was the last year you could buy one without nannies. They put those nannies on every single 2020 trim and it remains so.

54k? It ain’t worth that. At 40k, yes, solid vehicle. At 50k, I mean just due to the dollar amount a full size truck is a better buy even though it won’t handle as good. At least you’d get more towing capacity, bigger motor, etc. These MSRP’s are just out of hand today on everything. But they are dealing. Manu after manu is now knocking off thousands to move product, finally. Even my power sports dealer now has the ability to discount products to move them. I guess that Covid gouging shit is starting to subside. Once the FED rate drops next year, it’ll be a good time to purchase a vehicle. By then the % rates will be much better and stealers will be more willing to discount vehicles to move them off the lot and finally make it a little fairer or more towards a buyers market. I’m damn glad I bought mine when I did and paid it off in 3 years or so. It would cost me an additional 10k just to get another one if buying today. Crazy how expensive vehicles have gotten.