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Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
I’m no fan of pool monitors, but it’s private property and if I was a resident of a neighborhood paying hundreds in HOA fees, I’d be damned if I’d want to put up with non residents at my pool. It is a big issue around here. The article and video do not explain why the man asked the woman to show that she lives in the neighborhood, but it indicated this is not uncommon. But this woman screamed racism and blows the internet up, and now this guy has lost what was probably a very well paying job. And the HOA doesn’t have his back. http://m.wbtv.com/story/385879...unity-pool-loses-job
Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | ||
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The Unmanned Writer |
Where I've never appreciated another person to demand an apology from me (rubs my fur the wrong way doncha know) , regardless of the situation, I believe had said something along the lines of "sorry about that and thank you for finally shoeing me the proof" may have cleared a few things up. I also suspect if the woman had shown her key right away, all would've been good considering (I'm betting a dollar here) it was not a pool full of them white folk. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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Smarter than the average bear |
I don't feel sorry for the guy. You either uniformly ask for ID or you don't. You can't randomly think "they don't look like there from around here" and ask for their ID. If he knew almost everyone there, and asked nicely, it might have been a different story. Seems like he thought he caught someone, and after calling the cops and finding out he was wrong, just walked away with no apology. If that had been me, and I was wrong, I certainly would have apologized WITHOUT BEING ASKED. | |||
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Member |
And this is National News? ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Gotta keep up the narrative, comrade. | |||
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Member |
A rare case where her baby actually dinna do nuffin. Harshest Dream, Reality | |||
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safe & sound |
I hope this guy has asked at least one other white person to prove they were a resident and then sues Sonoco for defamation. You want to fire the guy? Great. You want to make a public statement that may not be true? Well then you should have to pay for that. | |||
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Unapologetic Old School Curmudgeon |
Yeah I don't get him losing his totally unrelated job. I hope he can get some recompense from his former employer. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
I agree. Although reading that he lost his actual job was tough and I was mad about that. But him walking away sort of puts a different spin to it. It's so easy to apologize for the inconvenience and add that it was to protect residents' rights like herself from unauthorized visitors. And I do hope he can get support that he was even handed in asking people and that he gets his job back. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Was it determined that she was a resident ? Have not seen that asked or answered | |||
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Member |
merely having a legit pool pass doesn't mean you are an authorized user -- they get traded around he probably could have handled it better - but I'm not sure this isn't blown way out of proportion imagine that -------------------------- Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
According to this article: LINK; when first asked, Jasmine Edwards Abhulimen gave an address in the development where no homes had been built. Also, pool membership is separate from just living in the development and non-members were using member's pool cards to get in. In an effort to clamp down on the abuse, they would ask people to prove they were members by asking who they were and what their address was. The article says they catch around 4 people a year of all races. The woman initially gave a phony address which is when the police were called. It's still not clear whether Abhulimen was a resident or a pool member, police only verified she had a working pool key card. The article specifically states they didn't check ID. Now if it were me, I'd give my name and address and be on my merry way. Unless I wasn't a member, then I'd leave. Of course I can't play the race card and make a big stink. As president of my HOA, I understand why the guy walked away. As a volunteer, nobody really wants to deal with asshole neighbors who don't follow the rules. We're getting out. | |||
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Info Guru |
According to the article:
and the statement from the HOA:
That said, I see no good guys in this whole debacle. I have a visceral hatred of HOA's and everything they stand for and also a visceral hatred of people who cry racism at every single event in their life. I don't see how Sonoco can morally justify firing him over this, but I'm pretty sure they are legally protected. PS: To head off the inevitable: While I do not like HOA's I am not in favor of abolishing them - if people want to join together and live that way, more power to them - it's just not for me. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Savor the limelight |
According to the article: Winston-Salem Police Chief Catrina Thompson: "The issue was brought up. The officers asked the questions that needed to be asked to get the issues resolved," said Thompson. "They were able to prove that Jasmine had what she needed to get into the pool. At the end of the day, there was no need to see an ID, at that point, because there was nothing to say that an ID was necessary." I read this to mean officers verified she had a working pool key card and did nothing else. The police chief specifically says the officers did not check Ms. Abhulimen's ID. | |||
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Info Guru |
It's the media reporting, so anything is possible. Heck, the whole thing could be made up given the state of the media. I think the HOA would be in a position to know if she was a resident or not though and according to their statement she is a member. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Member |
I would not have apologized either. This man was task with keeping non members out and she started with answering the question with an address where no homes where. If she was new to the neighborhood she could have made a mistake about the address, but it would be easy to verify. If she was a member than great. If not a member the GTFO. If it's true he asks everybody equally then I hope he sues the HOA, Edwards, and Sonoco. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
I edited my post to reflect that the quote is the Chief of Police stating the officers did not verify Ms. Abhulimen's ID, and thus her residency or pool membership. Only that she had a working pool key card. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
I edited my post to reflect that the quote is the Chief of Police stating the officers did not verify Ms. Abhulimen's ID, and thus her residency or pool membership. Only that she had a working pool key card. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Access to common are facilities like pools are a PITA all over the place. The facilities are always restricted to use by residents and guests. There are almost always rules requiring a resident be present with any guests. People being like they are, some people figure that they can make the facilities in their community available to their friends and relatives who live elsewhere. This is resented by other residents especially when the facilities are used close to capacity. It is a constant hassle, to enforce rules, and out strategize all the creative folks who find loopholes, exceptions, all backed with offended defensive exasperation when questioned. Some people are really insecure and cannot be questioned about these things rationally and reasonably. That ruins things for everyone. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Savor the limelight |
This pool isn't a common area. Membership is required. I assume it's like a lot of Florida developments that have golf courses in that you can be as resident of the developement, but not have the right to use the golf course unless you join as a member. | |||
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