I looked at similar guns. One, the CO2 cartridge might only get shot once or twice then sit for awhile. Two, I kinda don’t want a pellet gun that looks like a real gun. Scaredy cat neighbors again.

That Beeman 17 looks about perfect.

How about a blowgun?

https://huntingheart.com/blowgun-hunting/

I don’t think I have the lungs or the aim for that. Besides which I bought a blow gun for my son this Christmas. Fun, but not toad killing fun.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Warhorse:

If it is legal to discharge a firearm where you intend to dispatch these cane toads, a .22 bolt gun will let you shoot .22 short CB rounds. More power than a common air rifle, plenty accurate, and quieter than most pellet rifles.

I have a nice Ruger GP-100 that will fire .22 LR, .22 Long, or .22 Short. Something like that might be a good alternative to a pellet gun.

But illegal in virtually all FL cities.

Protecting FL gun owners since 1987:

790.33 Field of regulation of firearms and ammunition preempted.—
(1) PREEMPTION.—Except as expressly provided by the State Constitution or general law, the Legislature hereby declares that it is occupying the whole field of regulation of firearms and ammunition, including the purchase, sale, transfer, taxation, manufacture, ownership, possession, storage, and transportation thereof, to the exclusion of all existing and future county, city, town, or municipal ordinances or any administrative regulations or rules adopted by local or state government relating thereto. Any such existing ordinances, rules, or regulations are hereby declared null and void.


There’s even financial penalties for the commissioners, mayors, etc that try to pass such laws, ordinances, etc. Of course our commie Agriculture Commissioner is showing her true stripes and trying to get the legislature to remove the penalties.

also, Florida statutes:

790.15 Discharging firearm in public or on residential property.—
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) or subsection (3), any person who knowingly discharges a firearm in any public place or on the right-of-way of any paved public road, highway, or street, who knowingly discharges any firearm over the right-of-way of any paved public road, highway, or street or over any occupied premises, or who recklessly or negligently discharges a firearm outdoors on any property used primarily as the site of a dwelling as defined in s. 776.013 or zoned exclusively for residential use commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. This section does not apply to a person lawfully defending life or property or performing official duties requiring the discharge of a firearm or to a person discharging a firearm on public roads or properties expressly approved for hunting by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or Florida Forest Service.
(2) Any occupant of any vehicle who knowingly and willfully discharges any firearm from the vehicle within 1,000 feet of any person commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) Any driver or owner of any vehicle, whether or not the owner of the vehicle is occupying the vehicle, who knowingly directs any other person to discharge any firearm from the vehicle commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) Any person who recreationally discharges a firearm outdoors, including target shooting, in an area that the person knows or reasonably should know is primarily residential in nature and that has a residential density of one or more dwelling units per acre, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. This subsection does not apply:
(a) To a person lawfully defending life or property or performing official duties requiring the discharge of a firearm;
(b) If, under the circumstances, the discharge does not pose a reasonably foreseeable risk to life, safety, or property; or
(c) To a person who accidentally discharges a firearm.
History.—s. 1, ch. 3289, 1881; RS 2683; GS 3626; RGS 5557; CGL 7743; s. 1, ch. 61-334; s. 745, ch. 71-136; s. 1, ch. 78-17; s. 1, ch. 89-157; s. 229, ch. 99-245; s. 77, ch. 2012-7; s. 3, ch. 2012-108; s. 1, ch. 2016-12.
790.151 Using firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages, chemical substances, or controlled substances; penalties.—

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/sta...-0799/0790/0790.html

If you want to claim under (4) (a) that you were "lawfully defending life or property", and "not pose(ing) a reasonably foreseeable risk to life, safety, or property", whilst terminating a Bufo toad, let us know how that turns out, including legal costs.

You might want to have Jon H. Gutmacher, Esq. 's book on your desk and his business card in your wallet. Really. Even if you don't shoot toads with a .22RF in a Florida city or suburbia. Just sayin'.

https://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/

Makes airguns seem like a good investment, seewhatI'msayin? Eh, wot? Am I right? Am I right? Grok?

Why would I need 4(a) at all? I’d make the case under:

4(b) If, under the circumstances, the discharge does not pose a reasonably foreseeable risk to life, safety, or property; or

I don’t see how popping a toad in the head with a 22 CB Short violates 4(b). The “or” at the end or 4(b) is important. It means 4(a) or 4(b) or 4(c) are individual exceptions.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Why would I need 4(a) at all? I’d make the case under:

4(b) If, under the circumstances, the discharge does not pose a reasonably foreseeable risk to life, safety, or property; or

I don’t see how popping a toad in the head with a 22 CB Short violates 4(b).

If:

Firearm.
Less than one acre. You know. City or suburbia.
The CB short bounces and tags your neighbor in the ass while he's washing his car in his own driveway across the street.
Or maybe your neighbor is an easily triggered snowflake in a blue community who just see's you brandishing and discharging your GUN and reports it to the 911 and the local officer on patrol is right around the corner?

You might come out alright in Bithlo, but in one of Florida's Carpetbagger/GDC dominated hellholes? Not so well.

Again, you might win your case in the long run, but are you ready, willing and eager to pay the legal costs of defending your actions?

Edited to add: trapper189, who is your D.A.? Is your community .gov red or blue? These factors aren't just trivial.

What would the definition of “recreationally” be in the statute? If I’m dispatching an invasive species of animal, I’m not doing it for sport, fun, or enjoyment. It’s interesting the legislature even included the 4(a) exception as it hardly could be considered recreationally discharging a firearm except maybe if you’re John Wick.

We aren’t talking about shooting rats out of a tree. We are talking about walking up to a toad on the ground and popping him in the head as a humane way to dispatch it. I strongly suspect if your pellet from your pellet rifle ricochets off the toad and hits your neighbor across the street any where on his body while he’s washing his car, then you are going to have a problem.

I have no response as to snowflakes, blue communities, or peoples’ feelings. Those things don’t change what the statutes say.

I have dispatched a few animals on my property zoned RMF-5 surrounded on three sides by condos and apartments with a firearm. So far it hasn’t cost me anything, but I’m discrete about it.

Also, I apologize to Jimmy because I think I misread what he wrote. I thought he was saying various cities and municipalities had their own laws.

I started out looking for a Gamo Whisper. However, I discovered the Magnum and I can live with the noise considering the power.

https://www.amazon.com/Gamo-61...-Rifle/dp/B01N19HOV5

Also, I only paid $325 for mine through Amazon.

While you are at it, get rid of the Cuban Tree Toads which are slow invasive. https://wec.ifas.ufl.edu/exten...o/faq/frogstoads.php