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Hil's campaign manager Podesto thinks is it O.K. for illegals to vote in this election "if they have a drivers' license and attest that they are citizens" at the polls. (per WikiLeaks)

About half the drivers' licenses issued by Kalifornia were to illegals.

This is how the dems win elections.

What say we just discard the Kali vote?


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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
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It's been a long time since I read Democracy in America, but somehow, I don't think Hil would've agreed with Alexis on many things. That she appropriated one of his quotes is pretty rich.


That quote actually does not appear in Democracy in America and has never been shown to have come from De Toqueville at all, even though politicians from Reagan to Clinton have "quoted" him.


Hillary used it in her acceptance speech as well.

There is a similar quote in a book by a couple of preachers in 1834.

In volume II, p. 226 of the second edition of their book "A Narrative of the Visit to the American Churches by the Deputation from the Congregational Union of England and Wales" (London, 1836), authors Andrew Reed and James Matheson wrote:

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Universal suffrage, whatever may be its abstract merits or demerits, is neither desirable nor possible, except the people are the subjects of universal education and universal piety. America will be great if America is good. If not, her greatness will vanish away like a morning cloud.


Note the subtle change to the conditional.

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I knew there would be someone more knowledgeable on the matter than me. And of course, it's JALLEN. Thanks for the info.

Of course, when the early writers spoke of a "good" America, they referred to moral character and virtue, even religious virtue, as indicated in the quote you provided. Today's liberal takes a "good" America to mean one that opens its borders, provides unlimited entitlements and babies of its citizens from cradle to grave.
 
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I just saw on AOL news that their poll says 57% of people feel Donald Trump won the debate. I almost fell over in my chair that they admitted it. Perhaps the media tides are turning on Shillary.
 
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My POV. . . .

And Chris Wallace was not 50/50 neutral, rather obvious to me, that he very cunningly managed to steer and direct, deflect and (attempted) to control the outcome of what was said many times over.


Please provide an example; I'd like to see, perhaps, what you saw.


I would have to watch it all again and pick things out, and I cannot endure it again.

I came from a very intense backround, lived in 21 different homes (living with differnt relatives and step relatives) foster homes and an orphanage.
A lot of abuse, and other not so nice things.

I learned how to read people on a level that served as both survival and, oddly, has gotten me in trouble. (mostly because people cannot see the same things I see, and by the time a person's "hidden" behavior or agend becomes clear for other's to see, I had already been "dismissed" as trouble maker, paranoid or similar.)

Many people do not want to believe such things, they feel secure in their ignorance or hopeful belief.

I don't possess any more insight than most anyone else, I just pay and paid attention to it.

Anyway, I said more than I intended about all of that, but if you watch the debate with the belief that there is underhandedness, then you see it.

Similar to Casinos looking for those players trying to beat the house by "cheating". The (most effective) people running their "cheats" are very well practiced, and go unnoticed, adn it takes very close scrutiny and often several people observince, looking at many angles and replaying video to catch them.

And with things like the debates, a lot of people are distracted by the talk and are not looking for the "cheat".

I look for that, and the observation is second nature, so I can listen to the talk, and still pick up on the "tells".

Or, I am just a paranoid delusanal. I am not looking for validation or anything, lived long enough that like Popeye, "I yam what I yam", and it works for me. Smile

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I noticed at the end, DT brought up the missing billions and the hag did not even reply, she just stood there with a blank look on her face. No answer, no accountability, no problem. Win or lose the election, life is good for this piece of trash thanks to taxpayers.




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Here's Bill Whittle's comments on last night:

" Everybody knows by know that I have been a reluctant, and at times extremely reluctant, supporter of Donald Trump. I have no idea what kind of a President he would make – up until tonight he appeared thin-skinned, unprepared and overly agitated – but I have a very good idea what a Hillary Clinton Presidency would look like and I’d vote for a turnip before I’d vote for her.

"This was no turnip tonight. This looked and sounded, to me, like the President of the United States. I only needed to see it once. Only once. I needed to see him restrain himself. I needed to see him not take obvious bait. I needed to see him speak with authority and confidence about specifics on domestic and foreign policy issues. I had not seen any of this before."

https://www.billwhittle.com/
RTWT
 
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The MSM is rushing to explain how Hitlery "won" the 3rd debate and how Trump ended any chance he had to win the election. They are falling over themselves to top each other with their delusional fantasy. The more they do so, the more it becomes obvious that they know Trump helped himself more last night than did Clinton. They have only 19 days left to try to influence the outcome and they are going to use every minute of it.
 
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I was reading somewhere that the media thinks they can rehab themselves in the public's eye after the election.

The MSM cannot rehabilitate themselves with me after the election.
They are dead to me. When I see commercial sponsors on their programs, I know exactly who to avoid spending my money with.
I cannot believe anything they say or publish anymore.


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I was reading somewhere that the media thinks they can rehab themselves in the public's eye after the election.

The MSM cannot rehabilitate themselves with me after the election.
They are dead to me. When I see commercial sponsors on their programs, I know exactly who to avoid spending my money with.
I cannot believe anything they say or publish anymore.


To see commercial sponsors on their programs requires ones to watch their programs. Never gonna happen.
 
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The information backchannel created by social media is the undoing of our disgustingly biased news media. Their commie propaganda machine will never again operate with the perfect efficiency it once had.

They are thoroughly fucked now, and they know it and they know that we know it.

They feel the control slipping through their fingers, and if Trump wins, it's going to be glorious to watch all the sputtering and attempts at explaining their bullshit.

Hell, we may even get to see Tingles Matthews commit suicide on live TV.


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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
It's been a long time since I read Democracy in America, but somehow, I don't think Hil would've agreed with Alexis on many things. That she appropriated one of his quotes is pretty rich.


That quote actually does not appear in Democracy in America and has never been shown to have come from De Toqueville at all, even though politicians from Reagan to Clinton have "quoted" him.


Can you show where you found that bit of info?


Elk

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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. "
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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
It's been a long time since I read Democracy in America, but somehow, I don't think Hil would've agreed with Alexis on many things. That she appropriated one of his quotes is pretty rich.


That quote actually does not appear in Democracy in America and has never been shown to have come from De Toqueville at all, even though politicians from Reagan to Clinton have "quoted" him.


Can you show where you found that bit of info?


Read the thread above, please, or more succinctly, RTFT! I've already shown where it came from.




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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
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Originally posted by lbj:
I was reading somewhere that the media thinks they can rehab themselves in the public's eye after the election.

The MSM cannot rehabilitate themselves with me after the election.
They are dead to me. When I see commercial sponsors on their programs, I know exactly who to avoid spending my money with.
I cannot believe anything they say or publish anymore.


To see commercial sponsors on their programs requires ones to watch their programs. Never gonna happen.
lbj makes a good point and we cant fight back blind folded or with ignorance.
 
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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
It's been a long time since I read Democracy in America, but somehow, I don't think Hil would've agreed with Alexis on many things. That she appropriated one of his quotes is pretty rich.



That quote actually does not appear in Democracy in America and has never been shown to have come from De Toqueville at all, even though politicians from Reagan to Clinton have "quoted" him.


Can you show where you found that bit of info?



Don' remember where I heard about it, but it seems to come up everytime some uses the quote.

A google search provided this link, among many others.
 
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I was reading somewhere that the media thinks they can rehab themselves in the public's eye after the election.

The MSM cannot rehabilitate themselves with me after the election.
They are dead to me. When I see commercial sponsors on their programs, I know exactly who to avoid spending my money with.
I cannot believe anything they say or publish anymore.
^^^This. I used to watch both FOX and CNN each night to try and pick up some news of the day. No more. I can't remember once in the past 3 or 4 months where my TV has ever visited those channels. I am done with them and their blatantly obvious bias and agenda.


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Originally posted by lbj:
I was reading somewhere that the media thinks they can rehab themselves in the public's eye after the election.

The MSM cannot rehabilitate themselves with me after the election.
They are dead to me. When I see commercial sponsors on their programs, I know exactly who to avoid spending my money with.
I cannot believe anything they say or publish anymore.


Pretty much sums it up for me. However, I have had that opinion for years.


Elk

There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour)

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. "
-Thomas Jefferson

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville

FBHO!!!



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Originally posted by JALLEN:
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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
It's been a long time since I read Democracy in America, but somehow, I don't think Hil would've agreed with Alexis on many things. That she appropriated one of his quotes is pretty rich.


That quote actually does not appear in Democracy in America and has never been shown to have come from De Toqueville at all, even though politicians from Reagan to Clinton have "quoted" him.


Can you show where you found that bit of info?


Read the thread above, please, or more succinctly, RTFT! I've already shown where it came from.


I have read the thread, and my question was to the one who posted the thought.

I am fully aware that the quotation was appropriately attributed, way back when.


Elk

There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour)

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. "
-Thomas Jefferson

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville

FBHO!!!



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Yeah, I can't watch even Fox anymore and I know there are lots of people out there who are equally disgusted, and I can only hope this translates into decreased ratings, which hits these propagandists right where they live- in the wallet.

It's the only thing these frauds understand.


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Here's Bill Whittle's comments on last night:

" Everybody knows by know that I have been a reluctant, and at times extremely reluctant, supporter of Donald Trump. I have no idea what kind of a President he would make – up until tonight he appeared thin-skinned, unprepared and overly agitated – but I have a very good idea what a Hillary Clinton Presidency would look like and I’d vote for a turnip before I’d vote for her.

"This was no turnip tonight. This looked and sounded, to me, like the President of the United States. I only needed to see it once. Only once. I needed to see him restrain himself. I needed to see him not take obvious bait. I needed to see him speak with authority and confidence about specifics on domestic and foreign policy issues. I had not seen any of this before."

https://www.billwhittle.com/
RTWT



"What I had seen from him before – and this is his entire appeal, I think – was a candidate willing to fight back and not simply stand there like Gentleman Jim and let these immoral, duplicitous bastards make mincemeat out of us unopposed. He whipped the living hell out of that woman tonight, and every time that fake Hillary smile appeared it looked more and more desperate. In fact, immediately after the debate she looked like she was about to cry.

So. I have gone from a Donald Trump supporter to an enthusiastic Donald Trump supporter. Anyone who calls the Clinton Foundation a criminal enterprise to that criminal’s face; anyone who points out, repeatedly, just how stupidly the United States has behaved under Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama; and anyone who has the guts and the timing to say “What a nasty woman” to that thoroughly nasty woman is the kind of person I have been waiting to see.

Is it too late? I don’t know. Maybe the show’s not over until the fat lady goes to prison."


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About 6 months ago, I stopped watching all television news programs.
It's never "news" anymore, it's political agenda, propaganda. There is no news, only opinion.

This includes Fox, CNN et al.
And my boycott is not just national, it's local too.
The local news is as poorly done as the national ones.


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