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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Jeb Bush is at 45%

Jeb Bush? Is he still alive? I'm shocked that 45% of people polled think of him at all, positively or negatively.

The decimal point is missing...

...and a couple of zeroes.

Doesn't Jeb have lots of cool things to do? Now might be a good time to pitch into them all....

I tend to think that polling in this particular election, at this point, is bound to be skewed more that most. It is ridiculously dynamic. You have 12 Republican candidates and 3 Democrat candidates, which already diffuses some of the focus. The 2 primary Democrat candidates are very far left (Sanders is a Socialist) and Hillary's trying to run on being another Obama clone, which is a poor platform in many people's eyes, right and left leaning. Hillary is under investigation and is facing possible felony indictments, which alone tends to sour her favorabilty ratings. If she is forced to drop out of the election, who knows who the dems might try to plug in her place - Jerry Brown, Joe Biden? Trump is a phenomenon unto himself and is partially popular because he is an "outsider" - how many predicted that he would ever be the Republican front runner at this point? Bloomberg is threatening to run as an independent. VP candidates are not known at this point. There are all the various demographics (generational, racial, gender, religious, etc) to try to account for. Who can say with any reasonable certainty what the outcome will likely be? Plus it's the primary season and many of the low information voters won't or can't participate, but will show up to vote for the shiniest thing or candidate du jour come November. I think way too many things are in play can change between now and next fall. Maybe a chimp with a dart would be as skilled as some of the political seers have been.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Jeb Bush is at 45%

Jeb Bush? Is he still alive? I'm shocked that 45% of people polled think of him at all, positively or negatively.

Gotta love what Rand Paul said today...

https://twitter.com/Olivianuzz...s/694225194718613504

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Rand says among people under 30 who are polled on cell phones, he's #1 in Iowa

I've got news for him - Among people who are my immediate family who were polled via text message today, I'm leading in Iowa!

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Originally posted by ersatzknarf:

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Jeb Bush is at 45%

Jeb Bush? Is he still alive? I'm shocked that 45% of people polled think of him at all, positively or negatively.

The decimal point is missing...

Sorry, I cut out too much of chellim1's comment. It was saying that Jeb Bush's negative rating, or the percentage of people that rate him negatively was 45%. I just don't believe that he rates at all. Basically an empty suit.

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It was saying that Jeb Bush's negative rating, or the percentage of people that rate him negatively was 45%. I just don't believe that he rates at all. Basically an empty suit.

I think you are being too generous, sir.

Really, this is kinda sad. Jeb's PAC is paying people to go and sit at his events. $25 an hour! Pathetic, no? Why does it make me grin? There's something really wrong with me....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...ple-to-go-to-events/

In the words of Lewis Grizzard, it are a ho-ax.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
In the words of Lewis Grizzard, it are a ho-ax.

Well, that's a name I haven't heard anyone mention in a long time. Picked up "If Love Were Oil, I'd Be About a Quart Low" at a yard sale last fall (as of yet, haven't opened it). Faintly remember him on a Designing Women episode (my then wife made me watch...I swear). A true southern treasure.

Who here doesn't know how the Iowa caucus works? Especially the democratic caucus. If you don't, take a minute to google it and see for yourself. If this process ain't ripe for cheating and "persuasion" I don't know what is.

Here is a link to an explanation. Note, in Texas anyway, typically 5% of registered voters vote in the primary. So 5% could choose Bush, for example. The primaries are key to getting your pick on the November ballot. Trump and Cruz supporters need to participate in the primaries. Otherwise, your guy may not be on the ballot in November. It's too late to complain then. The word needs to get out (to the Cruz and Trump supporters).

http://www.silive.com/news/ind...a_caucus_why_is.html

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Originally posted by oddball:
Yeah, folks ignore the fact that the polls that placed Romney ahead of Barry up til election day got it all wrong.

What universe were you living on in the run up to the 2012 election? I remember Barry being ahead in almost every poll. We talked about it on here how we could not believe the polls, as there was no chance in hell that moron would get elected a second time.

Turns out, those polls were right.

Well it's crunch time in Iowa. In a few hours, I'll be casting my vote for Trump. I have been a Trump supporter since the beginning. But I have certainly had some doubts along the way (and still do). If I try to explain my choice in the traditional way (i.e. I like his position on this or that issue, or he voted for or against this or that as a senator or governor), I have a difficult time. All I can really say is I STRONGLY agree with his views on immigration, I believe that he truly is FOR America, that he has the strength to do what he thinks is right for this country, and isn't afraid to say what he thinks, no matter how politically un-correct it is. I hope that is enough.

I don't post a lot here, but I do read a lot here. There has been a great deal of good information posted in this thread, and a lot of good opinions which have helped solidify my thoughts. And for that I am grateful.

Chris Stirewalt (FOX reporter) told a story yesterday about going to church in Iowa on Sunday morning. After church he talked to the Pastor and asked him if he was going to the caucuses. He said yes, he was voting for Trump. When Stirewalt asked if there was any particular reason he was supporting Trump, the Pastor replied "No, I am just angry". That about sums it up.

surprise comment from Chris Matthews:

Matthews:

“I do think there’s something going on here. I think Biden is waiting.” Scarborough agreed with that assessment.

“I think Kerry probably wishes he was more positioned although he loves his job,” Matthews said.

“I think Mitt Romney is still waiting. I think there is a lot of people out there saying, ‘What the hell is going on? This is crazy.'”

“But I do think there’s something really powerful to learn from the Trump thing. Really powerful.

And besides the bigotry and the ethnic stuff we don’t like, there’s something in there about American citizenship and the pride Americans have in being Americans and that that has not been fully recognized by political leaders.

They don’t talk about gut patriotism anymore they way the used to and people feel there’s something missing there,”

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Matthews seems to think patriotism comes with bigotry, but he does acknowledge "something really powerful"

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02...-iowa-results-video/

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“I think Kerry probably wishes he was more positioned although he loves his job,” Matthews said.

He's "positioned" right over Barry's crotch, and he's blissfully happy there. Don't disturb this traitor while he's serving servicing Barry.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
Really, this is kinda sad. Jeb's PAC is paying people to go and sit at his events. $25 an hour! Pathetic, no? Why does it make me grin? There's something really wrong with me....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...ple-to-go-to-events/

Hell, for $25 per hour I would go sit at his event. Wouldn't vote for him, but can use the money to get to the polls to vote for Trump or Cruz.

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Hell, for $25 per hour I would go sit at his event.

I wonder if you get extra for applauding? Smiling for the camera? Assuming they were able to pay some cameraman....

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“I do think there’s something going on here. I think Biden is waiting.” Scarborough agreed with that assessment.

That's because Scarborough and Matthews are schmucks. If Biden is jumping in he's missing the dates to get his name on state ballots. Waiting only hurts him and gives Sanders easy wins if Hillary drops out.

Don't forget these votes are only to chose delegates to the National Conventions this summer. Those delegates are bound to their candidate only on the first ballot or so. After that, it's to the highest bidder! That's only for the nomination.

There are more ways to play this than stars in the sky, even for current fence sitters like Biden.