When Covid hit hard schools were closed and students did at home studies. Everyone complained that the students were falling behind by 1 year. So if kids learning at home doesn't work well, why do people think they work better at home?

Fire them all and put them to work in East Palestine.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Breaking down over an eight and a half hour work day. Son, you've got a tough row to hoe.

How about jumping out of an areophane over Norway with gunfire whizzing past your ear so whiney little shits in a few generations can cry about 8.5 hours in a comfy chair with AC and a designer coffee. I fear this will implode before long and we'll need to start over. I'll be feeding the worms by then.

A lot of work is well suited for remote/telework. A lot of work is not. The problem is everyone wants to work from home regardless if their work is well suited for it or not. Not to mention productivity issues, OJT training, office place culture, morale, etc.

Most of the years that I spent as a software developer, working in the office was not very productive. Office environment was usually a cubicle farm with phones ringing, people yakking, environment that was not conducive to concentration and problem solving. I got a lot more work done by taking it home than I did in the office.

I did work at a couple of Bell Labs facilities where we had one and two people offices with doors that could be closed to keep the noise out, but this type office environment was the exception.

All this work-from-home stuff has further degraded the already horrid state of customer service in this country, which is provided over the phone or via chat or text.

From 2020 onward, I have lost count of the times I have spoken to customer services reps over the phone and have been left with the impression that they are sitting in their home or apartment. I have heard pet birds squawking in the background, children screaming, crying or playing loudly, or some adult walk in the room only to be shushed by the customer service rep. I have had these reps place me on microphone mute and for there to be delays in them responding because they are- apparently- busied with other tasks.

For years, I have always made a point of asking politely at the beginning of these calls if the person to whom I am speaking is in the United States. I don't ask them to tell me exactly where they are; only if they are in the United States. If the answer is no, I ask to be transferred to someone in the US, if possible. Primarily, this has been a matter of principle.

Well, no more. I want to speak to people outside of the United States. I spoke to a woman the other day who was in India, I am guessing. She was not working remotely; she was in a call center. Her English was impeccable, far better than what I have come to expect from Laquavia in Philly. She was polite, cheerful and funny. She was forthright and candid in her remarks, a smart gal. I'm no longer getting this from the stateside people, because the hiring standards appear to have been relaxed and these people seem to have little concern about doing anything but the minimum.

I'm pretty good at recognizing accents, and I find that when I speak to CS reps in the Philippines, there is a surprising degree of miscommunication and misinterpretation of remarks during these calls, even though their English is quite good. Very odd, but even with this, I receive far better customer service from these folks, once I've managed to convey my thoughts.

When I was severing relations with Verizon (a bit of a chore) I spoke to a gal with a lilting Irish accent who, it turns out, was actually in Ireland. She was a hoot and we chatted a bit, and she said something I would never expect to hear these days from an American CS rep; she said she was so very grateful for her job. You're just not going to hear such a thing from the entitled goldbricks in this country who work for your CC company or phone provider or whatever.

Therefore, it's a 180 degree turn for me, and my principled stance on American jobs has gone out the window, at least in instances such as I've described. I want to talk to someone who is not sitting at home, distracted by things. I want to speak to someone who appreciates being employed and not someone who behaves as if this country owes them a living.

WTF is going on in America? When did people get so lazy? People don't want to shop in person, they want it delivered. People don't want to go to work, they want to sit at home. Heck, we even have people who think reaching for their wallet is too hard and so they need to be able to tap their phone to pay for stuff.

When it started- that would have been sometime within the last 15 or 20 years, I think, but we can, without any doubt, place the blame for making this shit perfectly acceptable and even normal, at the feet of the overblown COVID panic created by leftists. Combine this bad trend with the very recent trend of "workers are entitled absolutely and are owed their jobs, by society" and this is what we get.

I hate to say it, but the only hope for these spoiled, entitled twenty-somethings is if they end up going through a true calamity, and not some manufactured bullshit created as a leftist power grab. A depression, a major war- something which forces people to get their priorities in order; something so severe and demanding, they'll forget all the pussified whining about not being able to work from home, or having to deal with the horror of working an eight and a half hour shift.

I have worked 8-hour (sometimes more) days, outdoors or in non-climate-controlled buildings, 5 and sometimes 6 days a week, and rarely missed any of them, for nearly 47 years now, so I have no sympathy for these people. If they ever read a history book, they would be appalled at how people used to work. The 8-hour day as standard didn't start until well into the 20th century. Their heads would explode at Henry Ford's $5 a day wage being a pay raise for many people.

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Originally posted by rtquig:
When Covid hit hard schools were closed and students did at home studies. Everyone complained that the students were falling behind by 1 year. So if kids learning at home doesn't work well, why do people think they work better at home?

The bright kids have done amazingly well, I think, with online classes.

And, I think the more disciplined employees, with the right environment, can work very well from home.

Yes. Exceptions. Most kids aren’t that bright. No matter what their grand parents tell you. Just look at the bell curve. As for disciplined workers? I think that is an even more rare breed.

I've run into situations where I'm pretty sure employees have 2 full time jobs or at least a full time job and a side-job during the day going on now that they aren't required to show up into the office.

The fuck-off from home shit has completely demoralized all the actual on site labor force at my workplace.

Everyone who actually produces something have nothing but contempt for the parasites.

I know of other architectural firms that cut pay to compensate for lunches, parking, fuel and travel time if you wanted to be a parasite, but productivity was now quota based and very difficult to reach if not 100% jammed on it.

The workstations are 100% monitored and work timed. It's how we caught a fuck-off from home parasite running off to Disney World and claiming to be at work.

Eh, so the window lickers stay at home and get high all day, instead of doing so at school.

Work a fair bit with young kids - there’s going to be an absolutely staggering spilt between the well-raised kids, who are very impressive, and the bulk of the population who have caused themselves permanent brain damage.

Most things in history rhyme. Not sure there’s been another era when the youth become intoxicated, on psychoactives, 3-5 times, a week between 12 and 18.

I’m sure the mentally intact will be voted into bondage - the producers already have been, for the most part.

What happens when the defective vote themselves full ownership of the capable, in the US, or the Muslims vote in Sharia in the EU, will be interesting.

We may be heading to a point where liberty and democracy become completely incompatible - which indicates much larger issues with stability.

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As for disciplined workers? I think that is an even more rare breed.

This commercial for 4imprint.com is humorous, but accurate.

Yes, for the most part, todays experienced worker can work from home. Who do they get replaced with when the time comes? Not by someone who had the opportunity to learn under the watchful eye of a mentor. The next generation of worker is going to be behind the curve because they weren't afforded that benefit.

Interesting. I know a few people who are not cops or fireman whose companies expect them to work 4 10 hour days. They get every Friday off. I’m working 5 10+ hour days… so sucks to be me.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
I’m working 5 10+ hour days… so sucks to be me.

And thank YOU for actually showing up.
(Unlike the wieners who call in from home and say things like, "hey, will you go over to Receiving and see if my gadget came in?") Grrr.

It sounds like a return volley back at DeSantis. A lot of unemployment, mortgages not being able to be paid. Spending drops, local economy.