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If you've ever been on a flight with someone barefoot or parents with disruptive kids, the federal government is looking to help.

The US Department of Transportation rolled out a new campaign called "The Golden Age of Travel Starts with You" on Wednesday, Nov. 19. The program to promote civility at airports and on planes comes after a rise in high-profile incidents in recent years.

The Federal Aviation Administration has reported that in-flight outbursts have risen 400% since 2019, including 13,800 "unruly passenger incidents" since 2021. The issues especially spiked during the COVID-19 pandemic, with reports of disruptive passengers surging about 500% between 2020 and 2021.

The USDOT released a 90-second video to go along with the campaign. The video opens with historical footage of early commercial air travel, set to Frank Sinatra's "Come Fly With Me," before cutting to scenes of modern airport brawls and passengers using their feet to touch seatback screens.

Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy appears at the end of the video, telling travelers that "manners don't stop at the gate."

"Let's bring civility and manners back," said Duffy. "Ask yourself, are you helping a pregnant woman put her bag in the overhead bin? Are you dressing with respect? Are you keeping control of your children? Are you saying thank you to your flight attendants and your pilots? Are you saying please and thank you in general?"

The Golden Age of Travel Starts with You.

US Department of Transportation

USDOT officials say the goal is to help people make travel safer for passengers, gate agents, flight attendants, and pilots.

"Americans already feel divided and stressed," the USDOT said. "We can all do our part to bring back civility, manners, and common sense. When we can unite around shared values, we can feel more connected as a country."

The initiative comes about a week after the FAA cancelled emergency flight reductions at the end of the record-long federal government shutdown. Thousands of flights were canceled and delayed in early November due to widespread staffing shortages as air traffic controllers worked for six weeks without pay.

The campaign also aims to remind flyers to stay calm during the busy Thanksgiving and Christmas travel seasons. AAA estimates that nearly 82 million Americans will travel over the Thanksgiving holiday period, including 6.07 million by air.

The FAA also said that around one in five flight attendants were involved in physical incidents in 2021.

People aren't probably aren't much worse but the low fare prices let the worst people fly.

Are the airlines going to serve champagne and roasted almonds?

Back in my business travel days you travelled in a suit and tie or sport coat, as time went on the tie came off, then the jackets.

After a while even in First Class you started seeing dress code change, I got to where I carried jeans and a polo to change into at the airport.

Never wore pajamas and flip flops. Now Coach on Frontier is another thing, altogether......

When I started flying, folks wore coats, ties and dresses. It’s like everything else…you have to respect yourself first.

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Back in my business travel days you travelled in a suit and tie or sport coat, as time went on the tie came off, then the jackets.

After a while even in First Class you started seeing dress code change, I got to where I carried jeans and a polo to change into at the airport.

Never wore pajamas and flip flops. Now Coach on Frontier is another thing, altogether......

Now Coach on Frontier is another thing... :-)

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"Americans already feel divided and stressed," the USDOT said. "We can all do our part to bring back civility, manners, and common sense. When we can unite around shared values, we can feel more connected as a country."

"Let's bring civility and manners back," said Duffy.
It's a welcome message. Thank you, Mr. Duffy.

My wife's big complaint is women wearing skin tight leggings, some with no apparent underwear. Even with underwear, the possibility of them leaving some germs behind just about makes her vomit.

My experience as crew was that pretty much every combative passenger event involved alcohol. We even had a fistfight in First Class, involving a drunk who continuously insulted a woman until her boyfriend had to defend her honor.

The asshole uncooperative entitled passengers were generally sober. Just like everywhere else these days, people think the rules don't apply because they are so special.

I remember the days of getting dressed up to fly, man I am getting old. I might not put on a suit but I have always worn clothes and footgear that were emergency ready. It blows my mind when I am in places like Boise in the winter and you see people transiting the airport with shorts and sandals or pajamas. Let something happen and you have to unass the aircraft at the end of a runway. You are going to be outside in freezing weather in summer clothes. How about an emergency slide in flip flops or slippers? I might not be in a suit but my clothes are fashionable and action ready.

I'm all for the push for civility in air travel, and it definitely starts with the passenger. Way too many people in the boarding area and plane with main character syndrome.

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Originally posted by jed7s9b:
People aren't probably aren't much worse but the low fare prices let the worst people fly.

Low fares combined with financing option right in the airline's reservation system. For example, I just looked at $194 flight on United and they're offering $29/month financing with $0 downpayment, 15% APR, and 6-months of payments.

I imagine the bottom-tier airlines offer higher APR and longer payment options.

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Hire Zorin and Mayday to take out in-flight the trash. . .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...GQ&t=28s&pp=2AEckAIB

It would be nice but it’s wishful thinking I’m afraid. We have raised up a generation of entitled crybabies and a new subset of just plain animals. They aren’t going to change because some politician wants them to.

Cutting the number of flights per day by half would
( Theoretically) greatly reduce the number of
disruptive, antagonistic and rage filled passengers.

So yeah that would work for me.

Unfortunately, people have changed and the large majority are no longer capable of civility or even acknowledge it as a worthy goal. Our society believes civility is for suckers.

You want people to voluntarily don attire that is visually appealing?

Make everyone fly naked for a year.

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"Americans already feel divided and stressed," the USDOT said. "We can all do our part to bring back civility, manners, and common sense. When we can unite around shared values, we can feel more connected as a country."

"Let's bring civility and manners back," said Duffy.
It's a welcome message. Thank you, Mr. Duffy.

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Originally posted by fischtown7:
I have always worn clothes and footgear that were emergency ready.

That’s something I have long pondered, and not only in reference to airline travel, but it’s certainly applicable to that.

When I read discussions about personal preparedness, what weapons and other “EDC” gear to have and carry, situational awareness, etc., I sometimes think of clothing, and especially footwear that is totally unsuited for protection in any sort of emergency situation that requires getting from one place to another quickly and safely. For women in business attire, I sort of understand that they’re limited in practice by fashion and even professionalism demands. For other people and times, though, do people ever think of how vulnerable they would be to any sort of threat or danger if suddenly they were limited to limping and hobbling along with bare feet, not to mention leaving a blood trail for the tracking dogs to follow?

One of the tales in my limited repertoire of military stories relates to the dangers of ever relying on flip-flops in a war zone. My excuse then was being young, inexperienced, and, most significantly, influenced by my peers, but one experience was enough to teach me lesson—unlike some. No one (well, hardly anyone) in our environments must worry about dealing with rusty barbed wire while seeking cover under fire, but other hazards do exist even in urban areas.

Then there’s the current fashion of wearing shorts in winter. Something else I understand is that it may be important to keep one’s leg tattoos on display throughout the year, but what about men who don’t have any? It’s cold enough to wear a heavy winter coat, but bare legs? You’re in a small town in the mountains. When traveling the miles from one place to another in a high alpine environment, do you ever consider the need to deal with a breakdown or becoming stranded due to the weather? Does your “get home” bag contain a pair of suitable pants for the purpose? I suppose that’s possible for some people, but how many? Yes, it’s not as bad as the possibility of having to hike cross country in open-toe sandals, but still.

I’m not as well prepared to deal with disasters as many here, but at least I wear decent shoes.

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I remember the days of getting dressed up to fly, man I am getting old. I might not put on a suit but I have always worn clothes and footgear that were emergency ready. It blows my mind when I am in places like Boise in the winter and you see people transiting the airport with shorts and sandals or pajamas. Let something happen and you have to unass the aircraft at the end of a runway. You are going to be outside in freezing weather in summer clothes. How about an emergency slide in flip flops or slippers? I might not be in a suit but my clothes are fashionable and action ready.

+1. Almost thirty years ago I had a pilot with over 25 years' experience (including dodging hostile stuff fired at him in Vietnam) express his rather strong opinion of people not dressing in at least sturdy clothes in case the craft had to be set down in far less than ideal weather.

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Originally posted by fischtown7:
Let something happen and you have to unass the aircraft at the end of a runway. You are going to be outside in freezing weather in summer clothes. How about an emergency slide in flip flops or slippers? I might not be in a suit but my clothes are fashionable and action ready.

"action ready" is a great synopsis.

I used to be a high tier frequent flyer with Alaska airline (i.e. extremely personable airline that hosts breakfasts and lunches for their high tier frequent flyers), and Untied Airlines gives annual safety talks at my employer now that I'm in Houston and work for a large corporation (i.e. we spend a lot of money with them).

Both Alaska Airline and United Airline recommend people wear shoes until the 10,000 ft beeper sounds. By shoes, they mean shoes ready for action in event of an emergency not flip flops or house slippers.

I've flown with Alaska Airline in and out of the arctic circle numerous times, and it shocks me that people check their coat in their luggage and will be wearing a short-sleeved shirt on the airplane in the winter. Alaska Airline recommended having your jacket tucked above your carry-on so that it can be grabbed in event of a winter time emergency landing.

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The Federal Aviation Administration has reported that in-flight outbursts have risen 400% since 2019, including 13,800 "unruly passenger incidents" since 2021. The issues especially spiked during the COVID-19 pandemic, with reports of disruptive passengers surging about 500% between 2020 and 2021.

Arrest them and have mandatory jail time. All those TVs in the waiting lounges? Have them play videos of court sentencings for all those convicted of disrupting flights.