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This will sound stupid, but use a USB-C to C cable and plug a USB C to A adapter into your car. It sounds stupid, but has worked for me with Android in the past.
Except Apple had already gone to USB C on the iPads and Macs so Apple users already had USB C accessories. And what do you have that still runs Micro USB? That's even older than Lightning and only comes on cheap Chinese crap accessories. | |||
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Exactly what is that supposed to accomplish? 'saigonsmuggler' hasn't mentioned any issues whatsoever...He plugged in his Android phone and everything worked. ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 47....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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I think that guy is right. Based on my limited research and my observation over more than a decade I have seen that the average Apple user usually just wants to turn on the phone and have it work as a phone, as a texting device, as a whatever, as it was built right out of the box. Quite a few android users who are android cheerleaders are just the opposite. They want to take the phone out of the box, they want to customize it, they want to add features, they want to make it very personalized and improve its performance in their minds. You can’t do that with an apple. Apple the corporation believes they have provided you the "perfect" iPhone as it is, don’t mess with it, it just works, use it as we built it. Android users want to add stuff and want to tweak it. I also think that there are a lot of android users who have no idea whatsoever how do use their phone. More Apple users do know how to use their phone, mainly through osmosis because lots of Apple users tend to be Apple users across-the-board. I own the Apple Watch, multiple iPads, multiple iPhones, iMac, Mac mini, AirPods, I probably own a couple other Apple devices that I’m not even thinking of. They tend to use the same user interface technology. Android stuff is not the same. Use an iPhone and you can figure out an iPad. Use an iPad and you can figure out Safari, etc. I agree with the foil hat guys above. I don’t think we should applaud this in any way. At no point have I ever felt compelled or forced to buy an Apple product. I always bought the products and complained about certain things but knowing I bought it and would buy it again because I prefer it in general. I would rather have the marketplace dictate change not the government. And yes that includes even stupid power chargers that seem to constantly change. It’s bullshit, it’s a pain in the ass, but I prefer the apple product enough that I will live with that. What I don’t like is the other manufacturers share your data across-the-board. Apple tends to protect your privacy and in this world where it’s only gonna get worse I think we should all rally around that data protection even if we do have to put up with bullshit chargers and blue messages which by the way, makes me feel retarded to read an article that calls that a social stigma. Our society is doomed. | |||
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Is The Apple Antitrust Case A Black Swan For Markets Submitted by QTR's Fringe Finance It’s an interesting juxtaposition when a black swan that you expected crosses your path but looks a bit different than you had previously suspected it would. This was exactly the case yesterday when the Department of Justice brought its “landmark” antitrust lawsuit against Apple. At first, I wrote it off as just yet another antitrust case that would eventually be settled and become ancient history. After all, antitrust headlines hit the wire what seems like every single day. As a market observer, it is pretty routine, and I don’t pay much attention to them. Here’s yesterday’s story from CNBC: The Department of Justice sued Apple on Thursday, saying its iPhone ecosystem is a monopoly that drove its “astronomical valuation” at the expense of consumers, developers and rival phone makers. The government has not ruled out breaking up one of the largest companies in the world, with a Justice Department official saying on a briefing call that structural relief was on the table if the U.S. were to win. The lawsuit claims Apple’s anti-competitive practices extend beyond the iPhone and Apple Watch businesses, citing Apple’s advertising, browser, FaceTime and news offerings. “Each step in Apple’s course of conduct built and reinforced the moat around its smartphone monopoly,” according to the suit, filed by the DOJ and 16 attorneys general in New Jersey federal court. Forgive me for asking, but isn’t ‘winning’ at the expense of rival product makers what the business world is all about? This is a sprawling suit that didn’t raise any issues I personally found alarming. But maybe this is just because I am a happy iPhone user and former Apple employee who generally likes their products. I know that I certainly never felt as though I was using Apple products because they had some type of monopoly; I always just used them because I thought they were better than whatever else was out there. But I’m not here to argue the merits of the case or play judge and jury. That will play out in court and in a long legal battle that will likely end in some type of settlement several years from now after both sides jostle back and forth and make their respective arguments. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Discounting the idea that we can cherry pick articles to make our point, I generally agree with that article. Apple built a moat around their product. A product that has a ridiculously healthy competitor in the marketplace. How is it a monopoly if I can buy a competitor that is arguably better (to some) and demonstrably cheaper? It is a fucking ludicrous argument. The Apple Watch won't work with Android. Boo fucking hoo. Get a Garmin then. There is no monopoly if I can easily and cheaply use another product. It is in the very definition of the word MONOPOLY. This is an attempt to get Apple in line. That's it. Yes, my tinfoil hat fits just fine. Hate apple all you want, this isn't a Ma Bell scenario no matter how much DOJ (and google) wants it to be. | |||
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This is like the Microsoft anti trust action 25 years ago. It will go nowhere, and then be quietly dropped by a new administration. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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Just off the top of my head, thinking about things that we have here in our house (I'm probably missing some): Kindle readers. Ring Doorbell batteries. Various power packs. NoCo Vehicle jump-starters. Warning triangle for disabled vehicle. Wireless charging pads for phones. Kindle Fire tablet. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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When Android world went from micro USB to USB-C, my house and vehicles had Lightning (for iPad), microUSB and USB-C. Now, it's almost all USB-C with the exception of a couple of straggler micro USB cords still somewhere in the house. When I go to my brothers' houses, it's all a mix of USB-C and Lightning since they're all iPhones and Macbooks. My take is that in a few short years, everyone will run on USB-C, except for the PC makers like Dell and HP, which should really switch to USB-C as well. USB-C cords will be universal and cheap. It doesn't need to be "certified" (read $$$$ fee) by a certain company or else it won't work. As far as RCS goes, the writing is on the wall that it'll eventually be forced to adopt (whether by the EU or DOJ/FTC) so it just went ahead and made the announcement. Why Apple fans are against RCS adoption? Soon you'll be able to send and receive high quality photos and videos with all your family and friends, not just friends on i-devices, directly from your iMessage app. What's so bad about it? Let's hope it'll be soon, since Apple has been known to drag their feet on compatibility, even when ordered by the court. Apple is a $3 Trillion company, with $360 Billions in assets. Senior anti trust officials mentioned in interviews that they are not looking to break up the company but really just looking for the company to play nice with others. It's not even a remotely conservative company (far from it, by any measure) like Twitter, Tesla or any other Elon Musk entities. What are you guys so defensive about?? | |||
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I misread your comment and thought you said you couldn't get your Xperia to work with Android Auto. However, you can get Xperia phones off of eBay or at Best Buy. They are available, just not well advertised.
It's already here and Dell/HP laptops and All-In-Ones already come with multiple USB Thunderbolt ports and most are losing their USB A ports.
Not to be too presumptuous, but I'm reasonably certain that a good 85% of Apple users have no idea what RCS is. All they know is Blue bubble/Green Bubble and nothing further than that. That's an "Ask Apple" on why they don't want to support it along with iMessage.
Because it isn't a monopoly no matter how much a Biden twatwaffle cries and screams. Luca Brazi isn't coming to everyone's house beating people to buy Apple products nor are they lying to customers about not being able to escape the "ecosystem." Everyone goes willingly and everyone leaves willingly. Are there things I want to fix about Apple? Yep, but until app makers build apps that work 100% on Android as well as iOS, I'm going to stick with Apple until they go the South Park Human CentiPad way. | |||
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There are a lot of things about Apple tech and approach to users that annoy me. I am totally not a fan of their politics. All that said, nobody has ever forced me to buy their stuff. After years of building my own NetBSD machines and running rmail under emacs as my mail client I finally went to the Apple ecosystem because I was getting too much mail with attachments and I didn’t want to bother building whatever the “Office replacement” package was for NetBSD. I switched to Apple, 99.99% of the time stuff just worked, and my workload went down. Yeah, I still cuss them from time to time, but they haven’t annoyed me enough to make me even look at switching, much less do the work to do so. For me, this lawsuit is no more about a (blatantly false) Apple monopoly than the “TikTok Ban” bill was about banning TikTok (which I don’t use and couple care less if it completely disappeared today) is about protecting consumers. Both are all about a ridiculously corrupt government sticking its fingers in things that are absolutely none of its business to further consolidate and increase its power over the public. Put me down in the column of “Not much of a fan of Apple, but much less of a fan of a huge, corrupt, and cancerously growing federal bureaucracy.” | |||
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This may not be the thread to bring this up, and I haven't seen it mentioned here. I am totally in the Apple world, primarily because of seamless integration of devices and Apple's privacy policy. Now I read that Apple is in talks with various AI companies including Chinese ones to incorporate AI into the Apple milieu. That scares the bejesus out of me. I am afraid companies are overcommitting to AI without really knowing what risk it's going to bring. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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The other thing to consider is that the US Government has invested heavily in Google/Android solutions. A lot of government hardware runs off of Android/Google ware. The ATAC system is one example. (Yes, there is an apple version but all the R&D money was spent on non-Apple products, and the Apple version does not have near the features or operability). | |||
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Google says: What is Android Tactical Assault Kit? | |||
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Yep. ATAK, not ATAC. Android based system that has been in use with SOCOM for a dozen years. It’s filtered down to federal LE and now to locals. Just an example. IPhone version is neutered. | |||
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What leads you to believe "Apple fans" are opposed to RCS adoption? Government overreach. "Our" government is suing a company for a monopoly that simply does not exist. Despite my long-held dislike for Microsoft, I was not a proponent of the government suing them, either. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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 Apple iPhone shipment market share at the end of 2023. Is that enough to be called a monopoly? It's debatable at 62% US market share, however I think that's certainly enough for anti-competitive behaviors, some of which are accused by the government, and some apparently were based on deposed internal emails. From reading the opinions of the lawyers in the press, it seems like the DOJ took a careful approach and delivered good arguments for its case. Currently there are ongoing anti-trust cases here in the US and the EU against Facebook (Meta), Google (Alphabet, fined over $8.6B), Amazon, and Apple. All of which have been sued by the US government for anti-trust practices within the last 5 years. I only hear groaning and gnashing of teeth from the Apple fans. You cannot make the argument that Biden's DOJ going after a conservative company in Apple. Actually DOJ threw their support behind Tesla in Louisiana anti trust lawsuit last year. Musk's SpaceX and Twitter aren't under the anti trust gun either. | |||
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Phone wars, oh my. I didn’t know I had to be a fan of any phone company. I use Apple products but more as a lesser of evils type situation. I’m certainly no fan. Their stuff is more or less very reliable and is actually still worth something when you sell it. And it is as simple as that. Amazing that people still argue over this shit. Buy what you like and be done with it. People seem to be awfully concerned with what other people buy. Phone wars is hilarious. The sheep word gets trotted, LOL, you are doing nothing but engaging in, and say it with me “PHONE WARS!” My precious is better than your precious blah. I couldn’t give a fuck about this any less. First I’m hearing of RCS. Oh I was just waiting for that “feature” to waste more time on the phone. No not really, IDGAF. We are in an ongoing and never ending phone epidemic. This was in Forbes 7 years ago! https://www.forbes.com/sites/c...mic/?sh=451267ae5633 Pacifier is right. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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More likely, Apple won’t backdoor or unlock their stuff when the government asks. The bully is true to its nature. Everyone is squabbling over blue vs. green, and usb vs whatever. Fed doesn’t care about any of that. They are giving Apple a bloody nose because Apple continues to push back against unlocking or decrypting their shit for the bully. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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Once the government has extorted the billions from Apple, where will it go? The treasury or the DNC slush fund? "The days are stacked against what we think we are." Jim Harrison | |||
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