I mostly ignore articles about health effects of various foods. “X is bad for your health”. A year later, it’s “X isn’t a health risk after all .” This article fits the pattern. Moderation is the key. I’m tuning up for a scrumptious BMT (Bacon, Mayo, Tomato) sandwich tomorrow.

“There is no reason to cut back on red meat for health reasons, according to a controversial claim by a group of leading scientists.

Researchers in Canada, Spain and Poland have cast a shadow over eating advice adopted by health organisations around the world.

In a landmark paper, the academics analysed past studies of how eating meat affected the health of more than four million people.

They found no evidence that eating beef, pork and lamb could increase the rates of heart disease, cancer, stroke or type 2 diabetes – despite fears.

And the team also said they found nothing strong enough to signal that people should cut down on red meat, adding that the quality of evidence was too low for findings to be concerning…”

https://mol.im/a/7520483

I work with a lady that was a vegan or vegetarian for many many years,

like 20+

she, due to some undisclosed health reasons, has started to eat meat,

she found she loves bacon (go figure) and is trying fish now,


very petite, very active, but apparently her doc said eat more protein, and not from a bean, or else,

Don't ya just hate blanket statements?
I guess no one would listen to the preference to a balanced diet.

So...keep doin’ what I’ve been doin’ then? Got it

I have never really been too overly concerned about what I eat. Cholesterol is good. Physicals have always come back great. I’m in decent shape, even though I don’t work out (5’9” and 170 lbs - yeah, I’m a small guy). Red meat is a staple here at the Cooker household. If it’s not a steak, the Mrs. is using it in a Korean dish. If not beef, it’s pork. Once in a while we have chicken, but neither of us care too much for it.

Next year it’ll be a different paper. Something like steak causes leprosy.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Don't ya just hate blanket statements?
I guess no one would listen to the preference to a balanced diet.

I'm glad this is what I've always subscribed to! Balance and moderation are the key.

I always post this video in threads about the changing recommendations of so called experts in case anyone has not watched it. It's hilarious because it is so accurate

Uhhhhhh...I never intended on doing so in the first place.

The amount of red meat eaten has to do with your homocysteine level. Homocysteine can cause arterial damage and blockage as the blood vessels are repaired. You need to have a blood test to determine the level and the use B-50 Complex to reduce the levels. I try to keep mine around 6 micomoles per liter of blood.

Have you learned nothing lately? People are dying. Ecosystems are collapsing. How dare you!

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Originally posted by 41:
The amount of red meat eaten has to do with your homocysteine level. Homocysteine can cause arterial damage and blockage as the blood vessels are repaired. You need to have a blood test to determine the level and the use B-50 Complex to reduce the levels. I try to keep mine around 6 micomoles per liter of blood.

Who are you calling a homo?!?!?


...and for the record, I like my micomoles on the grill!

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Originally posted by 41: You need to have a blood test to determine the level and the use B-50 Complex to reduce the levels. I try to keep mine around 6 micomoles per liter of blood.

What the heck? The stress people cause themselves by worrying about every dang thing we can scan, measure or test on our bodies is going to kill them faster than their homocysteine.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Don't ya just hate blanket statements?
I guess no one would listen to the preference to a balanced diet.

All around bad article since they do not understand the problem of too much read meat.

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Originally posted by lyman:
I work with a lady that was a vegan or vegetarian for many many years,

like 20+

she, due to some undisclosed health reasons, has started to eat meat,

she found she loves bacon (go figure) and is trying fish now,


very petite, very active, but apparently her doc said eat more protein, and not from a bean, or else,

My daughter started the whole vegan thing last year and started having problems.
Her mother does it so she figured she'd try it.
She stopped the vegan thing and now eats meat again and she feels better.
I grew up in the meat business and I'm still doing it. I consume quite a bit of beef, pork and chicken. Never listened to the "experts" on what I should/shouldn't eat.

Eat everything in moderation. You don't need any damn scientists shoving studies down your throat telling you what to eat and not to eat.

Reminds me of an interview with George Burns on TV some years ago. He was almost 100 at the time. Went something like this:

George: My Doctor said I should stop smoking...

Interviewer: But you’re sitting here puffing on a cigar right now -

George: Yeah, I don the listen to him any more...

Interviewer: Well, why not?

George: He is dead.

I can't help but think of this scene from Sleeper

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Originally posted by 41:
The amount of red meat eaten has to do with your homocysteine level. Homocysteine can cause arterial damage and blockage as the blood vessels are repaired. You need to have a blood test to determine the level and the use B-50 Complex to reduce the levels. I try to keep mine around 6 micomoles per liter of blood.

What are you talking about? Homocysteine is a common amino acid and high levels have only shown a correlation with early CVD, not necessarily causative.

Choline and L-carnitine are the primary culprits in red meat as a downstream metabolite has shown a positive causative effect on arteriosclerotic plaque formation. Moderate red meat consumption with the right combination of dietary nutrients/factors is what the article suggests. A healthy diet is still high in fruits, vegetables and fiber.

Despite my advice to the contrary, my wife takes a statin. She is not overweight, doesn't smoke and eats mostly rabbit food. She came home one day and said her doctor said she had to take a statin, because her cholesterol was high. My reply was that both her parents lived into their mid-nineties and that genes will trump cholesterol any day of the week. As for vegetarians, I heard a comedian once say, "You show me a guy, who says he's a vegetarian and I'll show you a guy who's trying to f**k a vegetarian." I believe it

seriously -- can't keep up :

coffee BAD -- not really bad

eggs BAD -- not really bad

carbs BAD -- carbs okay

alcohol BAD -- wine okay

red meat BAD -- protein good...

I'll keep doing what I've always done: balanced diet over-weighted on the protein. good sleep. portion control. exercise 4-5 days a week. drink water. vices in moderation : sweets, beer, french fries, coffee, etc

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Originally posted by lyman:
I work with a lady that was a vegan or vegetarian for many many years,

like 20+

she, due to some undisclosed health reasons, has started to eat meat,

she found she loves bacon (go figure) and is trying fish now,


very petite, very active, but apparently her doc said eat more protein, and not from a bean, or else,

Probably a B12 deficiency...