Well it also makes what the Dems are saying not completely untrue. It’s not one day. It’s one day every year there is an election which is a lot of one days. Now, one day to REGISTER, that is a different animal. Not to mention that doesn’t every state now at least have REAL ID’s available which should be the equivalent of carrying a passport, birth certificate, etc?

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^ Like this...



https://x.com/RepMichaelCloud/.../2021981251276886373

Jesus. I certainly hope that Healthkit tech is air-gapped.

Here's what passed the House

Summary: H.R.22 — 119th Congress (2025-2026)

Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act or the SAVE Act

This bill requires individuals to provide documentary proof of U.S. citizenship when registering to vote in federal elections.

Specifically, the bill prohibits states from accepting and processing an application to register to vote in a federal election unless the applicant presents documentary proof of U.S. citizenship. The bill specifies what documents are considered acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship, such as identification that complies with the REAL ID Act of 2005 that indicates U.S. citizenship.

Further, the bill (1) prohibits states from registering an individual to vote in a federal election unless, at the time the individual applies to register to vote, the individual provides documentary proof of U.S. citizenship; and (2) requires states to establish an alternative process under which an applicant may submit other evidence to demonstrate U.S. citizenship.

Each state must take affirmative steps on an ongoing basis to ensure that only U.S. citizens are registered to vote, which shall include establishing a program to identify individuals who are not U.S. citizens using information supplied by certain sources.

Additionally, states must remove noncitizens from their official lists of eligible voters.

The bill allows for a private right of action against an election official who registers an applicant to vote in a federal election who fails to present documentary proof of U.S. citizenship.

The bill establishes criminal penalties for certain offenses, including registering an applicant to vote in a federal election who fails to present documentary proof of U.S. citizenship.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/...ngress/house-bill/22

Full text of the bill (H.R.22) here --> https://www.congress.gov/bill/...s/house-bill/22/text

I posted this in the Trump thread too.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...2B2T3eaL9Wcoo7h9s%3D

Trump Says He Will Sign Orders to Require Voter ID for Midterms

Republican Sen. Susan Collins became the latest to support the SAVE Act.

President Donald Trump said in a Truth Social post Feb. 13 he plans to sign an executive order requiring voter ID for midterm elections this year as the SAVE Act remained on life support in the Senate.

“We cannot let the Democrats get away with NO VOTER I.D. any longer,” Trump posted. “Even Democrat Voters agree, 85 percent, that there should be Voter I.D.”

“This is an issue that must be fought, and must be fought, NOW! If we can’t get it through Congress, there are Legal reasons why this SCAM is not permitted. I will be presenting them shortly, in the form of an Executive Order,” Trump said.

The U.S. House passed the SAVE America Act on Feb. 11. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) led the legislation that would require Americans to prove their citizenship when registering to vote.
Under the bill, citizens would have to show a photo identification when casting ballots, including mail-in ballots.

The bill faces an uncertain future in the Senate, where Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) said this week there aren’t enough votes to drop the filibuster to advance the bill.

Trump’s announcement came hours after Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) became the latest holdout to throw her weight behind the SAVE Act, according to a statement to The Maine Wire. She is the 50th senator to back the legislation. However, she said she would not support breaking the filibuster rule.

Democratic officials have criticized the SAVE Act as racist and have labeled it “voter suppression.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) called the bill “dead on arrival.”
“The goal of the SAVE Act is the same: disenfranchising American citizens and making it harder for eligible people to vote, particularly low-income Americans and people of color,” Schumer said in a speech on the Senate floor Feb. 9.

Rep. April McClain Delaney (D-Md.) said the bill would impact millions of people, including women whose married names don’t match their birth certificates, a claim that has been debunked.

The bill allows several valid forms of proof, including a U.S. passport, a REAL ID, or enhanced driver’s license, government-issued photo identification, such as a passport card, and a U.S. military ID shown alongside a military record of service showing the United States as the applicant’s birthplace.
Several left-wing and progressive organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the League of Women Voters, the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, and the Brennan Center for Justice, came out against the Voter ID requirement this week.

Democrat Sen. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, broke party lines this week to support photo ID voting requirements, but told Dasha Burns on Politico’s “The Conversation” that his support did not extend to the House-passed bill.
Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who often votes against her party, became the first Republican to speak out against the bill Feb. 10. The senator claimed the bill would federalize elections.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:

Question. Are you saying the original bill didn’t accept Real ID to vote?.

I'm not sure what you are asking, but the Real ID designator on a driver license does not mean that the license holder is a U.S. citizen.

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Originally posted by egregore:
Be thankful Susan Collins votes with us at least some of the time. She's the best we're going to get out of Maine, period.

Unless, of course, Paul LePage manages to win the Second District in November. Remember, Trump won the electoral vote in that district due to Maine not having winner-take-all for electoral votes.

In Nevada, here is the requirement to get a Real ID from their website. See how it says "Permanent Resident Card (I-551)"? So, Real ID Card does not necessarily mean someone is a US Citizen. Maybe it depend on which state issues the Real ID. I say make everyone prove US Citizenship to register. Then, require a valid government issued ID to vote for election that requires US Citizenship. ONLY US citizens should be allowed to vote on Presidential election. This bill will make it very hard for the DemonRATS to cheat. We need this bill to pass.


Proof of Identity
Present one of the following:

Valid, unexpired United States Passport or United States Passport Card
U.S. state-issued birth certificate (original or certified copy)
Consular Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240)
Certificate of Naturalization (N-550)
Certificate of Citizenship (N-560)
Permanent Resident Card (I-551)
If the card is expired, you must also present a Notice of Action (I-797) showing an approved extension. The old pink version of the I-551, called the "Resident Alien Card," that contains no expiration date is also acceptable.
Valid, unexpired foreign passport with an I-94 stamped “Processed for I-551”
Unexpired Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
Valid, unexpired Foreign Passport with an unexpired U.S. Visa and an I-94 form. If the I-94 is expired, you must also present a Notice of Action (I-797) showing an approved extension.
Licenses and ID cards will be marked “LIMITED TERM" when immigration documents are used to prove identity.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by pedropcola:

Question. Are you saying the original bill didn’t accept Real ID to vote?.

I'm not sure what you are asking, but the Real ID designator on a driver license does not mean that the license holder is a U.S. citizen.

Montana's new real ID driver's licenses and ID cards have a black eagle icon on front of the license signifying if you are a US citizen - new for 2026... MVD requires a passport to make that determination.

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Originally posted by KMitch200:
Digging out your birth certificate for one day doesn’t seem to onerous to me.

It does to me. I think it is a bullshit idea. I was born in Austria. I do have my birth certificate and my citizenship certificate. However, I resent people asking me for my papers. I have been voting in federal elections since 1970. I don't have a "real id" and I don't want one. In fact, I refuse to get one. I also don't have a passport. Does all this mean I can't vote Republican like I have for all those years? That would piss me off.

It’s *one day* to register to vote. Not for every TIME you vote.
I don’t have Real ID either - I also don’t want one.

Vote for whoever you please, Republicunts or Demonrats if you can find any difference.
I myself vote only on who wants to strengthen my 2A rights. Neither side is covering themselves in glory at this point.
My wife had to give a copy to our county registrar to prove citizenship. Yet somehow she managed to pull it off and is recorded as a citizen from here on out. Easy-peasy.

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Originally posted by KMitch200:

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Originally posted by KMitch200:
Digging out your birth certificate for one day doesn’t seem to onerous to me.

It does to me. I think it is a bullshit idea. I was born in Austria. I do have my birth certificate and my citizenship certificate. However, I resent people asking me for my papers. I have been voting in federal elections since 1970. I don't have a "real id" and I don't want one. In fact, I refuse to get one. I also don't have a passport. Does all this mean I can't vote Republican like I have for all those years? That would piss me off.

It’s *one day* to register to vote. Not for every TIME you vote.
I don’t have Real ID either - I also don’t want one.

Vote for whoever you please, Republicunts or Demonrats if you can find any difference.
I myself vote only on who wants to strengthen my 2A rights. Neither side is covering themselves in glory at this point.
My wife had to give a copy to our county registrar to prove citizenship. Yet somehow she managed to pull it off and is recorded as a citizen from here on out. Easy-peasy.

We'll see how easy peasy it is.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Question. Are you saying the original bill didn’t accept Real ID to vote? Ie, you had to bring a passport or birth certificate to vote? I must have missed that and if true then I would have voted NO as well. The whole point of Real ID for the states was that it was vetted to a reasonable criteria.

Nobody carries around their passport or birth certificate. They do carry ID.

Educate me on what the bill originally required and now requires please.

A Real ID does not say what citizenship you have; it just says the picture is of the person named in the ID. I think only 3 states that border Canada have citizenship validation.

How or who determines , if in my case a 70 year old birth certificate is valid / real? I have no passport or intent to get one. I have a state issued super special( starred )drivers license / ID that what supposed to be good for Identification! What are millions of wives going to do that took their husbands name 10 - 70 years ago and their birth name does not match the current name?

Certainly looks like a lot more bureaucratic bullshit/ headaches/ problems have been created than already exist!
Looks to me like this federal law will pass on a truckload of bullshit to each state / county voter registration office! I'll bet all the workers @ these offices are looking forward to dealing with the problems, issues and CURMUDGEONS that this will create!

I still am not quite understanding this bill. At the current understanding I actually might be siding with the Democrats. That’s crazy so I must be misunderstanding something.

When I got a REAL ID I had to bring paperwork that seems to be “citizenship” stuff. I think in my case it was a passport. In my wife’s case it was birth certificate and marriage license. So that is why I assumed it proved citizenship.

In the current guise of the bill can I show up at polling place with a REAL ID and vote? For married women wouldn’t a REAL ID actually taken care of the name change stuff?

Bottom line question. Is this bill a mess or is it common sense and reasonably implemented?


By the way this is the first part from Florida to get a REAL ID. You also need SS card and some bills with address but that’s another issue. That list ABSOLUTELY proves citizenship. Maybe that’s not the intent but those 4 REQUIRED items absolutely mean you are a citizen unless I am missing something.



Identity (One Proof):
Valid U.S. Passport
Original or certified birth certificate
Certificate of Naturalization
Consular Report of Birth Abroad

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Originally posted by jgerge222:
How or who determines , if in my case a 70 year old birth certificate is valid / real? I have no passport or intent to get one. I have a state issued super special( starred )drivers license / ID that what supposed to be good for Identification! What are millions of wives going to do that took their husbands name 10 - 70 years ago and their birth name does not match the current name?

That old official birth certificate is no longer valid. I have one that was hand signed by the doc and has the raised embossed state seal, but it isn't valid either. You have to get one that a computer prints onto official paper. It proves that the information in the computer database was printed onto official paper. Lol, somehow it is more better that way.

As to the married women, how did they get their current drivers license or passport with their married name? If they lost the marriage license they'll have to order one from the city or county. It shouldn't be any harder than getting one's birth certificate. And this will only be needed for new voter registration. If they're already registered they will only need their current ID when they show up to vote.

Not sure if you saw the remaining part of the requirements for Florida Real ID. Here it is. It shows that FL also issues Real ID to non-US Citizens. Unless there is an specific symbol on the ID itself that will distinguish US Citizens from Non-US Citizens, Real ID does not 100% guarantee US Citizenship.


For Non-Citizens:

Valid, unexpired Permanent Resident Card – I-551 for Lawful Permanent Residents
Valid Passport for non-immigrants except for asylum applicants and refugees
Other government issued document showing your full name
Department of Homeland Security document showing proof of lawful presence
If your name has changed by marriage/divorce, you must have your name changed on your Citizen and Immigration Services (CIS) documents.
Both Citizens and Non-Citizens will need to bring:

Your Social Security Card or proof of your social security number.
A list of documents that provide proof of the social security number can be found on our What to Bring page.
Two documents that show your principal residence
A list of these kinds of documents can be found on our What to Bring page

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
By the way this is the first part from Florida to get a REAL ID. You also need SS card and some bills with address but that’s another issue. That list ABSOLUTELY proves citizenship. Maybe that’s not the intent but those 4 REQUIRED items absolutely mean you are a citizen unless I am missing something.



Identity (One Proof):
Valid U.S. Passport
Original or certified birth certificate
Certificate of Naturalization
Consular Report of Birth Abroad

Nice braille but shitty law is no better than what we got now. So your post doesn’t add anything to understanding this bill.

I didn’t get to the part for no citizens so I now understand the REAL ID doesn’t prove citizenship bit. Funny thing is is that it does right up until it doesn’t. lol.

I’m not a fan of passing laws that suck from the start. That is my sole issue. Either this law is solid or it isn’t.

^^^ We all know “Too hard” is simply an excuse so the cockroaches can more easily cheat.

A quick Google search about which US States issues Real ID that identifies individual as US Citizens. Not sure of it’s accuracy. But here it is.

Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Vermont, and Washington are the only U.S. states that issue Enhanced Driver’s Licenses (EDLs) or Enhanced ID cards, which specifically identify U.S. citizenship. Unlike standard REAL IDs, which only prove legal presence, these Enhanced IDs are marked "Enhanced" and can be used for land/sea border crossings.
Key Details regarding Citizenship and REAL ID:
Enhanced Driver’s Licenses (EDLs): Available in MI, MN, NY, VT, and WA, these documents are specifically designed for citizens and can be used in place of a passport to cross the U.S. border.

I 100% agree. While it may cause some inconvenience, this is the ONLY way we can stop those people who are NOT allowed to vote from voting (cheating).

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Originally posted by 12131:
^^^ We all know “Too hard” is simply an excuse so the cockroaches can more easily cheat.