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Glorious SPAM! |
"Force Design 2030". The link is a PDF. Without the MAGTAF the Corps pretty much becomes useless. Honestly within ten years a lot of us see Congress asking why do we have a Marine Corps? I see them either going back to the 1920's Corps of guarding naval installations and security on ship or going away completely. If you want an infantry strike force to be stationed on a ship just put a Ranger Company there. USMC infantry TO&E has been pretty much the same since WWII. In the future they will look A LOT more like the Rangers. And the grunt commander's I have talked to are not happy. Especially when you take away the heavy junk and towed artillery. https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/P...020-03-26-121328-460 | |||
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I have been following the re-alignment closely and wanted to do some more research before I posted in this discussion. It is time for me to extended my contract and I am thinking this will probably be my last three year hitch. With that being said I was looking to reclassify to either an Intelligence MOS or a Combat Engineering MOS. After reading about the Corps eliminating their Armor, Bridging and other units I have been contemplating changing to 19K (Armor). I have read numerous articles stating that with the Corp eliminating their armor capability it will put undue burden on the current Army Armored units. I am hoping this will get the Army off their Keisters and started focusing, developing and refining armor tactics and doctrine. I am also hoping it will lead to more training for NG Armor units and hopefully assimilate them with Active duty armor units. All the articles I read relating to the reform and elimination of those said units states that the Corp wants to get back to their amphibious roots. If that is truly the goal they will have to return to pre-WW2 status. During World War II, the US Marine Corps formed six tank battalions that battled through the harsh conditions of the Pacific Theatre. Using the same basic tanks as the US Army, notably the M3 and M5A1 light tanks and the M4 Sherman medium tank, the Marines made both technical and tactical innovations to make them more effective in the fight against the Japanese. Deep wading equipment, flamethrower tanks, and even wooden armor all became part of the Marine arsenal. And this tradition/innovation carried on through Korea, Vietnam up to the present. I always studied/liked/admired the MAGTF and how effective it was. | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
Here is the problem. The way the USMC uses armor and the way the US Army uses armor is COMPLETELY different. I mean like night and day. In the Army armor exists to fight other armor. In the Corps armor exists to support the infantry. Thats all. Since WWII USMC armor trains to fight with the grunts. That's all we did. Sure gunnery had them calling fire commands to shoot other tanks but in reality their job was infantry support. Breaching. The USMC tank platoon existed to breach obstacles. Why? To allow the grunts to roll in. In the Army armor is king; in the Corps infantry is king. USMC armor has one job, and one job only: to breach the obstacle and support infantry. Period. The Corps had the vendor put a tank infantry phone on the back of the tank during Iraq. Why? Because tanks support infantry. Just like Hue in '68 Marine grunts liked to be able to direct the fire of their tank support. That meant having a phone on the back of the tiger to talk to the TC. The Army scoffed at the idea. But for what the Corps needed, it worked. And even the Army has the TIP phone on their tanks now. The Army has great armor training, and they can kill enemy tanks forever. But put an Army tank platoon with a Marine infantry company and all hell breaks loose. They just don't train for grunt support. Especially on the small scale that the Marines do (or did). One tank platoon attached to an infantry company is amazing. Especially when all they ever trained for was that scenario. This is what a standard USMC tank platoon looked like in AFG. Plow, blade, roller. Ready to breech and ready to kick the door in for the grunts. We weren't in AFG to fight other tanks; we were in AFG to kick the door open for the grunts so they could do their thing. | |||
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Then maybe the dimwits should just save all the BSing and stupid excuses and just eliminate them altogether! The Leathernecks play a large part of our defense and positive part of our offensive forces. Sounds to me like the same morons who want to do away with our police! | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
We got rid of the flamethrowers and wooden armor, but we kept the deep water fording kits This pic is a test of the new engine intake seal back in the day. The Army required the tank to ford 48" and the USMC required it to ford 72" with 96" swells (for coming off of a landing craft). If you look closely you can see that yes, the tiger is running (exhaust coming out if the stack). Somewhere I have some pics of a tank coming off of an actual landing craft I'll see if I can find them. I know a few guys that sunk them coming off of LCU's in various places...anphib landings aren't always wine and roses. And the recovery sucks | |||
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SIGforum's Berlin Correspondent |
Here's my friend I mentioned in the OP coming ashore on his M48A3 from an LCU at Capo Teulada, Sardinia in December 1970 during a Med cruise. He likes to tell the story thus:
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SIGforum's Berlin Correspondent |
Not sure if this is related to the USMC reform, or the plans to relocate troops from Germany, despite the official denial of the latter.
https://www.military.com/daily...way-deployments.html | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
Love those pics Banshee! M48A3 with the 90mm. Nice. The last M48 the USMC used was the A5 with the 105. But that was before my time lol. WAY before. I haven't heard anything about drawing down the Norway deployments (but then I'm not really in the loop anymore). A buddy's son just got back from there a month or so ago. Wonder if he has heard anything. We did keep a few tanks over there in the caves. Used to send mechs to service them every six months or so. Video is from one of the deployments a few years ago. The only time I ever drove a tank in the snow was up at the old Syracuse USMC reserve station years and years ago. | |||
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The guy has some funny stories to tell, and is also a published historian. Might as well advertize the books he has written on the USMC, armor, and USMC armor. Additionally, the extended edition of his thesis about Western European Volunteers in the German Army and SS during WW II is the best I've seen on the topic. | |||
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