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Oriental Redneck |
Medic, paramedic, firefighter, LEO, EMT, lifeguard? Anyone else? Would you consider private security guard a first responder? Q | ||
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
I wouldn't consider a rent a cop or lifeguard even though they might be the first to show up in an emergency. So might a private citizen if they happened to be close by. Police, Fire Dept. or EMS. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Coin Sniper |
I look at it two ways Operational First Responders Those that are tasked by occupation to be first on the scene with training, experience and equipment to mitigate an incident. Fire Fighters, Medics/EMT/ParaMedics, LEO, etc. Practical First Responders: Those that arrive on a scene with training, experience, equipment/limited equipment/no equipment to render aid Red Cross Certified people, Security Guards, Military/former military, skilled bystanders Example I haven't been a Fire FIghter/Medic in a number of years, but I keep a trauma kit in my car and know how to mitigate a variety of incidents. If I arrive on an accident scene, call dispatch, coordinate traffic control and treat patients I am the first responder. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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The conventional definition of a first responder is meant for civil authorities such as police or fireman or others that are trained to go into harms way. A first responder, IMO, is someone who will go into harms way in order to save another. A lifeguard into an undertow, a security guard who tries to stop a robbery, a fireman, policeman, or private citizen. Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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Muzzle flash aficionado |
The "first responder" to my motorcycle accident in 1989 was a young man in a white T-shirt who stopped his car near where I lay and came over to ask some questions and administer a few quick extremity tests. When he heard the approach of the ambulance, he said I'd be OK and returned to his car and drove off. I'd love to know who he was so I could thank him for stopping. However, I think most people would probably say the term "First Responder" would be a LEO, EMT, Fireman, etc.--someone trained and paid to do that work. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
I'd add search & rescue people to first responders. Some are unpaid volunteers. Oil & gas has a bunch of first responder employees and contractors for spill and fire response. For example, I'm ICS 400 qualified. The industry also provides first response during major widespread disasters like the April and May floods in SE Texas and Louisiana in 2016. They rescued dozens and dozens of people trapped by floods. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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No, not like Bill Clinton |
Here in GA, a wrecker company is given that status | |||
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I would consider a first responder as someone who has enough sense to know when a scene is secure and when one is not, preventing more patients from arriving at the scene. __________________________ Keep your rotor in the green The aircraft in trim Your time over target short Make it count | |||
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Having been in law enforcement and ems, IMO, anyone who begins to mitigate a situation. Just reporting doesn't count. Sic Semper Tyrannis If you beat your swords into plowshares, you will become farmers for those who didn't! Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners-George Carlin | |||
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I've been a pro ski patroller for 35 years but since my response area is narrowly defined, don't feel I fit the overall definition. Harshest Dream, Reality | |||
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Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. |
The term is not what we consider, think, or feel. It's defined by the feds. Homeland Security Presidential Directive, HSPD-8[4] reads: The term "first responder" refers to those individuals who in the early stages of an incident are responsible for the protection and preservation of life, property, evidence, and the environment, including emergency response providers as defined in section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. § 101), as well as emergency management, public health, clinical care, public works, and other skilled support personnel (such as equipment operators) that provide immediate support services during prevention, response, and recovery operations. | |||
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A Grateful American |
To whom the situation affects. That is the first responder. Everyone else is a second responder. So, each person must become subconsiously aware that he or she may well be on their own for the duration, and train, prepare and be mindfuil of that. "YES SIR, DRILL SGT!" And no denigration to those formerly known as first responders. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
So, lawyers, right? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I have been a member of the National Ski Patrol for many years (29) serving the entire time at my local ski area, and consider all (credentialed) ski patrollers to be 'First Responders' in assisting those that are injured and/or in some sort of medical distress (i.e., hypothermia, frostbite, heart attack, complications from diabetes), etc. __________ __________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy." | |||
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ME. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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If you are familiar with how the system "OEM" works. It depends on the situation. It can be police, fire, first aide, water/sewer utility etc. Training is a must as there are different areas that need attention. Consider a hurricane or tornado where infrastructure is affected. While the police may first respond, they would turn over their authority of handling a repair to the "specialist" that knows what to do but still keep their perimeter control. There is an established chain of command and corresponding qualifications in order to be in the chain of command. Living the Dream | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
Wouldn't the Medical Examiner be the last responder? Q | |||
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recovering ammoholic |
It depends for me on the situation/what is the context of the discussion... Logically, the first responder is the person/thing that is the first to start to respond to an incident, so it can be anyone. I am pretty sure there is a quote The first responder is you, when dealing with incidents, ala the police are minutes away when seconds count. Practically, for me, a first responder is someone who is paid, and required to, render aid / professional service. IE Police, EMS, Firefighters. --------------------------------- How's your cardio? Nature, alas, made only one being out of you although there was material for a good man and a rogue.” -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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Bunch of savages in this town |
I won't mention my occupation, many of you know it. I don't consider myself a first responder, but I have been first person on scene. I've rendered first aid, called cops/fire/ems. Helped senior citizens, young kids, and dogs find their way home. I've helped apprehend criminals, and used a baseball bat on a dog mauling a college aged girl. Called the gas company when I smelled gas, and let homeowners know they have a broken water line flooding their house. No, I don't get paid to do any of this, but I think any person with any ounce of morals or ethics would do likewise. ----------------- I apologize now... | |||
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We gonna get some oojima in this house! |
If they kick in my door, me... ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
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