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Can Radar Detectors Now Filter Out In-Vehicle Radars?
June 13, 2017, 10:56 AM
CoolRich59Can Radar Detectors Now Filter Out In-Vehicle Radars?
I bought an Escort Passport Max a couple of years ago but stopped using it after a couple of months because I was getting constant false alarms from in-vehicle radars (lane departure, blind spot, collision avoidance).
I looked at both Escort and Valentine One today and both now claim that their products can detect and filter out these in-vehicle radar systems.
Is this true, or just marketing hype?
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June 13, 2017, 11:00 AM
h2oys"No", its not just hype from Valentine 1 as I have one of their units. It definitely filters out the radar based collision avoidance systems from other cars.
However it does not filter out laser collision avoidance systems. Never will I own an Infiniti or Mazda because they use laser collision systems.
June 13, 2017, 01:09 PM
dry-flyI had both Valentine One and Escort's top unit last year. I sold or returned them. Still constant falsing. The can be tuned and you have to learn what to tune out, then they work pretty well. Personally it drove me nuts.
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June 13, 2017, 01:13 PM
Georgeairquote:
Originally posted by dry-fly:
I had both Valentine One and Escort's top unit last year. I sold or returned them. Still constant falsing. The can be tuned and you have to learn what to tune out, then they work pretty well. Personally it drove me nuts.
I had some older V1s that false on the new GMC/Cadillac constantly, among others. Sent them in for an "upgrade" and they now no longer do this at all.
IOW, they can fix and old one not to and the new ones already will be good to go. One of the things I LOVE about V1 is the upgradable chassis. Granted these updates aren't super cheap, but any other detector will require a replacement.
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June 13, 2017, 01:23 PM
CoolRich59quote:
Originally posted by Georgeair:
IOW, they can fix and old one not to and the new ones already will be good to go. One of the things I LOVE about V1 is the upgradable chassis. Granted these updates aren't super cheap, but any other detector will require a replacement.
Georgeair, you nailed my follow-up - which is whether existing units are upgradeable.
Unless I'm missing it on their site, it does not look like you can upgrade the Escort. Which means, if correct, I spent $500+ on a paperweight.
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June 13, 2017, 01:33 PM
stoic-onequote:
Originally posted by CoolRich59:
...which is whether existing units are upgradeable.
Unless I'm missing it on their site, it does not look like you can upgrade the Escort. Which means, if correct, I spent $500+ on a paperweight.
The Escort units can be upgraded/updated with firmware and software updates, no actual hardware updates w/o returning it to them. Best I can tell a firmware update patched my Max2 to ignore collision avoidance systems. What they call an In-Vehicle Technology (IVT) Filter.
I'm not a V1 user so I have no idea what they are capable of upgrade wise.
June 13, 2017, 02:04 PM
CoolRich59quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
quote:
Originally posted by CoolRich59:
...which is whether existing units are upgradeable.
Unless I'm missing it on their site, it does not look like you can upgrade the Escort. Which means, if correct, I spent $500+ on a paperweight.
The Escort units can be upgraded/updated with firmware and software updates, no actual hardware updates w/o returning it to them. Best I can tell a firmware update patched my Max2 to ignore collision avoidance systems. What they call an In-Vehicle Technology (IVT) Filter.
I'm not a V1 user so I have no idea what they are capable of upgrade wise.
Thanks stoic-one. That's what I went on their site to look for but did not see. I will do a little more digging or contact them.
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June 13, 2017, 02:09 PM
BluecobraYep the new V1 will filter them and the older ones can be upgraded. I have 3 and had to have 2 of them upgraded.
June 13, 2017, 02:32 PM
Black92LXWhy the need to drive so fast?
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June 13, 2017, 02:33 PM
CoolRich59quote:
Originally posted by Black92LX:
Why the need to drive so fast?
So I can die doing what I love!
Seriously, though. I really am not a big lead foot. But, I live in Illinois and the municipalities like to use things like aggressive traffic enforcement to generate revenue.
I agree that anyone driving 20+ over the speed limit is asking to get stopped. By I hear about people around here getting ticketed for minuscule violations. The police aren't issuing citations for safety reasons. They are being ordered to go out and write tickets so the city council can fund their pet projects.
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June 13, 2017, 03:16 PM
h2oysquote:
Originally posted by Black92LX:
Why the need to drive so fast?
Where I live there are about 100 different villages/municipalities/cities/townships. Most have their own police departments and many run very notorious speed traps. Like on the downside of a hill and the speed limit drops as well.
If you did not have one you would coast down the hill and get nailed. There was one city where a now retired officer was notorious for his motorcycle enforcement. He would give you a ticket for 1mph over the limit.
The officer is just doing his job as he/she WAS told to do. Hence the blame goes to the leaders of each of these notorious revenue machines. Thus the need for something like a detector to level the playing field.
June 13, 2017, 03:32 PM
CoolRich59quote:
Originally posted by h2oys:
The officer is just doing his job as he/she WAS told to do. Hence the blame goes to the leaders of each of these notorious revenue machines. Thus the need for something like a detector to level the playing field.
Absolutely. I don't blame the police. Like you said, they're doing their job.
I haven't even been pulled over in more than 5 years. But, on that occasion, I got to talking with the officer and he told he would like to let me go with a warning, but his orders from the village was that no one gets off. If he pulls someone over, a ticket gets issued.
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June 13, 2017, 08:40 PM
MikeinNCquote:
Originally posted by CoolRich59:
The police aren't issuing citations for safety reasons. They are being ordered to go out and write tickets so the city council can fund their pet projects.
Sure about that??
In NC, all monies generated from Uniform Citations go to the State. They city where I worked had "parking tickets" that were paid to the city, but there was no line for speeding;local charges for corner cutting, fire lane violations, parking violations...etc-but not speeding...
When I worked traffic, I did it to get DWI's off the road, so I might stop you for 5 or 10 over and after figuring out you weren't drunk, you got a verbal warning...
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Prefontainequote:
Originally posted by Georgeair:
quote:
Originally posted by dry-fly:
I had both Valentine One and Escort's top unit last year. I sold or returned them. Still constant falsing. The can be tuned and you have to learn what to tune out, then they work pretty well. Personally it drove me nuts.
I had some older V1s that false on the new GMC/Cadillac constantly, among others. Sent them in for an "upgrade" and they now no longer do this at all.
IOW, they can fix and old one not to and the new ones already will be good to go. One of the things I LOVE about V1 is the upgradable chassis. Granted these updates aren't super cheap, but any other detector will require a replacement.
Same. Upgraded my V1 and all that car radar bs went completely away. So impressed I bought a 2nd one. I've owned one for 16 years, and it is indeed permanently upgradeable. In fact besides the house, the only permanently uphradeable purchase I've ever bought.
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June 13, 2017, 08:48 PM
Prefontainequote:
Originally posted by Black92LX:
Why the need to drive so fast?
Why does a dog lick his balls?
I think you'll find where most people speed, is the highway, whether interstate or rural.
And then the motorcyclists among us speed on twisty roads out in the canyons or sticks.
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June 13, 2017, 08:48 PM
Skins2881quote:
Originally posted by Black92LX:
Why the need to drive so fast?
Yep.
Though this is coming from a Virginian where radar detectors are illegal and speeding costs your first born.
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis June 13, 2017, 08:50 PM
Skins2881quote:
Originally posted by h2oys:
quote:
Originally posted by Black92LX:
Why the need to drive so fast?
Where I live there are about 100 different villages/municipalities/cities/townships. Most have their own police departments and many run very notorious speed traps. Like on the downside of a hill and the speed limit drops as well.
If you did not have one you would coast down the hill and get nailed. There was one city where a now retired officer was notorious for his motorcycle enforcement. He would give you a ticket for 1mph over the limit.
The officer is just doing his job as he/she WAS told to do. Hence the blame goes to the leaders of each of these notorious revenue machines. Thus the need for something like a detector to level the playing field.
So you know you will get punished for breaking the law in certain areas and still need to employ counter measures to effectively break the law? Just leave three minutes earlier. Way easier and cheaper.
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis June 13, 2017, 08:57 PM
h2oysquote:
Originally posted by Skins2881:
quote:
Originally posted by h2oys:
quote:
Originally posted by Black92LX:
Why the need to drive so fast?
Where I live there are about 100 different villages/municipalities/cities/townships. Most have their own police departments and many run very notorious speed traps. Like on the downside of a hill and the speed limit drops as well.
If you did not have one you would coast down the hill and get nailed. There was one city where a now retired officer was notorious for his motorcycle enforcement. He would give you a ticket for 1mph over the limit.
The officer is just doing his job as he/she WAS told to do. Hence the blame goes to the leaders of each of these notorious revenue machines. Thus the need for something like a detector to level the playing field.
So you know you will get punished for breaking the law in certain areas and still need to employ counter measures to effectively break the law? Just leave three minutes earlier. Way easier and cheaper.
That's not the issue at all. Should I brake rolling down a hill to avoid going 1mph over the limit? That's insane. However in certain areas in St. Louis, going 1mph over will get you a ticket in a city/village/etc. wherein over 30% of their revenue is driven by forcing their police to issue tickets.
Going from one city/village where its not a big deal to go 1mph over to the next where they issue every citation possible is virtually impossible in our area.
The "ticket cities/villages/etc" in our area has become such an issue the State of MO has passed laws limiting how much money each public entity can raise by traffic tickets based upon its overall revenue.
June 13, 2017, 09:26 PM
chongosuerteAs Mike says...in NC the state gets the money. In my agency, nobody cares how many tickets you write. They will jump your ass for not stopping a car all month, but if you stopped 50 cars and wrote zero tickets, they won't complain.
Allowing agencies to directly benefit from writing tickets is a bit dumb.
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June 13, 2017, 09:42 PM
CoolRich59quote:
Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Sure about that??
Not sure, but well-founded suspicion. After all, this is Illinois, where 3 of our last 4 governors went to prison.
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