My question is what would the K9 do when my dog started chewing on him?
That's a pretty scary situation. Assuming I was listening to headphones and didn't hear anything nor broke any laws I imagine I'd be scared shitless of being hit by a fur missile. Very doubtful I'd think rationally enough to do anything other than my best to protect me and mine from a vicious dog.
I suppose that would mean my dog and I's likely demise once the police came in and found me with a weapon and my dog trying to protect his master.

Go all 'John Wick' on their ass

I’ve titled dogs in Schutzhund and I’ve been a decoy, on a real dog you can feel the bite through a heavy sleeve. Cannot imagine a real bite with a police dog.

I remember many years ago I was decoying for a short heavily built Rott named Ninja and he broke the stay on a send away bite. The owner screamed at me to drop the sleeve so the dog wouldn’t get his bite. As I dropped the sleeve I really wondered if my arm would be the substitute. Ninja grabbed the sleeve and ran off the field.

I have 2 Sheps, one a 4 year old female that loves bite work and an 11 month old male that I may title. The female would not accept any dog running into her house. She is one tough ass bitch.

If a strange dog enters my house, it'll be met by two other dogs who'll take it on.

Butt with that; if a suspect in the house shoots and kills a police did, the suspect should be faced with the same punishment as a LEO handler would if they had killed the dog by leaning it in a non air conditioned car during the summer.

If the LEO goes to prison for killing the dog, so should the suspect.
If the LEO is told "bad boy, don't do that again," so should the suspect.

In the listed scenario, the police went to the wrong house. The other possibility is you were ‘swatted’.

Regardless, all you know is here comes a mean dog, trying to bite you.

I'd use whatever was at hand to defend myself against any dog attacking me in my own home. My mother was a cop and got tore up pretty good by a German Shepherd that got a little excited and confused during a rather rowdy arrest. Shredded one of her legs, and this was with the K9 officer and other officers trying to get the damn dog off her. I forget the details, I'll have to ask her. Between that, and growing up with a 110lb Sherpherd-Lab mix and seeing and feeling what he was capable of in his prime, I wouldn't hesitate to respond with whatever level of force I deem necessary to protect myself.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
If the LEO goes to prison for killing the dog, so should the suspect.
If the LEO is told "bad boy, don't do that again," so should the suspect.

I like this.

It's a natural human instinct to fight off an animal attack, no matter the reason or warning. All logic and reason go out the window when an animal attacks a human. I love dogs more than people and wouldn't hesitate to kick to death or shoot any any dog that bit me. Not a second's hesitation.

I would offer the dog my forearm and once he's latched on, try and stay upright and not let him get me on the ground. I used to train with our dog handler on my shift (I was the bitee). Dog always went for my forearm with the protective sleeve on it. Once latched on, the dog would not release until handler told him (in german) to do so. Don't know if the dog would go for the forearm without the protective sleeve, but would much rather have the dog on my forearm rather than on my neck or private parts.

My first thought was to assume the fetal position, just try to protect my head, neck and groin as best I can until the handler calls the dog off. But after reading some other peoples responses, No I'm not at all sure I could do that with a powerful dog tearing at me. After more thought I think I'd probably go through an escalation process. Try to push or kick the dog off of me. Failing that, then go to whatever weapon I had available. Knife, gun, fireplace poker, umbrella, whatever I could reach. If I could get behind the dog I might try to wrap him up in my arms, bury my face in his shoulder and hang on for dear life, just to try and keep the teeth away from anything vital. Don't know if it would work or not, but it's a thought.

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Originally posted by Expert308:
My first thought was to assume the fetal position, just try to protect my head, neck and groin as best I can until the handler calls the dog off. But after reading some other peoples responses, No I'm not at all sure I could do that with a powerful dog tearing at me. After more thought I think I'd probably go through an escalation process. Try to push or kick the dog off of me. Failing that, then go to whatever weapon I had available. Knife, gun, fireplace poker, umbrella, whatever I could reach. If I could get behind the dog I might try to wrap him up in my arms, bury my face in his shoulder and hang on for dear life, just to try and keep the teeth away from anything vital. Don't know if it would work or not, but it's a thought.

It's always a good plan, until you're screaming like a little girl.

Don't fight the dog. Hold still, remain as calm as you can, comply with commands, and the handler will get it off as quickly as possible. Resisting or fighting the dog is going to cause tearing or maybe even a re-bite. I've seen guys who kept their cool get off with just minor bruising. I've seen people who fought the dog lose large quantities of flesh. Don't fight the dog.

Canines are quicker so Resistance is futile. Wait for it’s handler to remove it.

I don’t really consider this a serious hypothetical so I voted “Other”.

Cops don’t just turn the K9 loose. Before doing so they loudly announce, sometimes more than once, something along the lines of “POLICE! Anyone inside show your hands and come to my voice, or I am turning the dog loose. The dog WILL find you and the dog WILL bite you!”

At the point Cops have busted my door down and screamed that, I am going to reply ”I am the homeowner, I am in my bedroom at the top of the stairs and heading to the front door” (or similar) then move towards their voice updating them with my progress as I do so.


Yes, in my case, they will absolutely be at the wrong place but that is a point to discuss AFTER they have done what they came there do when everyone is secure and the adrenaline is going away.


Not to mention they just don’t go kicking doors and releasing the hounds without some absolute PC/reason for doing so such as a track leading from a felony level crime to the location, commercial building with obvious forced entry, etc.

I am certainly not a handler, but the agency I work for would likely never introduce dog off leash into a residence where there could be children, hostages, etc.


Now with all that said, if I was an armed criminal acting feloniously, and a police bite/hold K9 was coming my way...

So the link given is a different scenario than the one in the original post. Most of the responses seemed to follow the original post scenario, so I will too.

1. I have 2 dogs in the house both of which would hear a gnat fart in a bush across the street and that tends to set them off. So I’m unlikely to get “surprised” even while listening to death metal through headphones.

2. Given 1 above and the way my house is made, someone is going to make even more serious noise than my 2 dogs to introduce a 3rd dog into the house without me knowing about it before the dogs can get to me. As in attack the front door with an MRAP.

3. Given the amount of noise required, it seems more likely that negotiations with the handlers of any K-9 officer(s) will be the more likely outcome. If HR 127 gets passed into law, then everything above might be different.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
...My mother was a cop and got tore up pretty good by a German Shepherd that got a little excited and confused during a rather rowdy arrest. Shredded one of her legs, and this was with the K9 officer and other officers trying to get the damn dog off her...

Many years ago I dispatched officers to a sexual assault near a wooded area. K9 responded to track and because of terrain, let dog off lead. Dog worked a circle through the woods, came out near where other officers had the victim. Startled all of them and victim scream, dog bit and held the poor victim until handler caught up and pulled it off.

Just not that poor woman’s night.


Lots of funny K9 track stories after 28 plus years (not that the above qualifies as a “funny” one)

I'm not a criminal. If a LEO needs to talk to me, they can call me and make an appointment. Both my personal and my business cell phones are registered in Smart 911 so I'm easy to reach. Additionally, if they've really done their homework they'll see my neighbor is a LEO with a police vehicle parked at his house 7 days a week (i.e. they'll call him to learn about me).

Given the above, the OP has proposed an extremely unlikely situation and it being a cop is less probable than it being a criminal posing as a cop. In other words, I'm fighting and not by Queensbury Rules.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

Given the above, the OP has proposed an extremely unlikely situation and it being a cop is less probable than it being a criminal posing as a cop. In other words, I'm fighting and not by Queensbury Rules.

There certainly have been cases of home invasion by imposters, never heard of anyone going so far as to have a trained K9 to sell the ruse.

Gentlemen,

This very basic, simple scenario I postulated was to provide a scenario we could all imagine happening, even if it required a little imagination.

I just as easily could have said, "you're walking on a path in the woods in a park, and a Police K-9 runs to you and bites you. What do you do???

This is immaterial anyway since the question is not about any of these things or details.

No matter what the Eleventy Bazillion possibilities and circumstances that could go into the bite actually happening, You find yourself being bitten by a Police K-9.

Do you offer no resistance (probably screeming like a nine year old girl like I would be doing), some resistance (physical resistance), or even armed resistance (Deadly Force)?

That is the question.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
FUUS!!... PLATZ!!... Pray to god they trained them in German.

Uh, I don’t think you want FUUS!! AUS! maybe, or perhaps “AUS PLATZ!!!”

Maybe even “FOOEY” (incorrect spelling, but the sound is right.)

Edited to actually answer the question: If I understand it is a police dog, and he’s already latched on, do my absolute best to be still, quiet, and compliant. If I don’t know he’s a police dog, I’m likely going to do my level best to kill him, whether he’s latched on or not. If I understand it is a police dog and I have the opportunity, I’ll offer him something else to latch onto in hopes he’ll grab it instead of me.

A K-9 trainer I worked with told the story of “feeding” an attacking dog an unopened soda can which distracted the dog enough for him to get ahold of the dog and avoid getting bit. Having seen him school a K-9 in our class that was failing the call-off, I can believe the story. He was quick. He offered the dog his left arm, then as the dog was going for it, pulled it away, snagged the leash with his right hand and hung him up for a few seconds, followed by “doggy sit-ups”. You know, that dog figured out the call-off pretty quickly after that.

It it is important in a situation like this to recognise the sounds of the different barks that the dogs make. Once you know that, you can kind of figure out what the dog is about to do.

As examples:

The bark he makes while sitting in the back of the car the scene means: "come on dad, let me out, this looks like fun"

The bark he makes before he gets back in the car means "can I pee first?"

The bark you will hear the canine make right before he gets you roughly translates to "tastes like chicken!"