The obvious solution: MORE gun laws! And ban those - cue ominous music - ASSAULT RIFLES!

“If you really want a gun, you can just drive over the Indiana border and get whatever you want,” Emanuel said. “That’s why you need national gun legislation that prevents gang members and criminals from getting their hands on an assault weapon that is not meant for the streets of any urban environment.”

Link to "Gun Trace Report 2017" which may be total BS, but I have not read it.

https://www.cityofchicago.org/.../October/GTR2017.pdf

Complete article:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/c...-possible-solutions/

‘Gun Trace Report’ details origins of Chicago guns, possible solutions
CHICAGO 10/29/2017, 09:15am

Details on thousands of guns used in crimes and recovered by Chicago Police are being revealed in a new report.

The city’s second “Gun Trace Report,” set for release on Sunday, looks at guns recovered by CPD from 2013 through 2016 — where they came from, who bought them — and offers ways to put a dent in Chicago’s entrenched gun violence.

Out of approximately 27,500 weapons recovered during that period, the report focuses on 15,000 guns — all of which were initially bought legally at more than 5,000 federally licensed gun dealers in Illinois and other states, according to the report.

“It is self-evident that the availability of illegally circulated firearms in Chicago, which exceeds that of many other major U.S. cities, is directly connected to its deadly street violence,” the report – a draft of which was obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times – reads.

“Policymakers, law enforcement and community stakeholders must work together to build a comprehensive system that keeps firearms out of the hands of individuals who are at high-risk for violence.”

The report was generated in cooperation between the CPD and the University of Chicago Crime Lab.

The first iteration was released in 2014 and covered the police department’s gun recoveries between 2011 and 2013.

While more expansive and detailed, the 2017 report touches on several of the same issues raised in the 2014 version.

Through Oct. 22, Chicago recorded 558 murders, the vast majority of which were committed with firearms, according to the CPD. Though that pace is slightly down from the historic levels of violence seen in 2016, Chicago recorded more murders in the first nine and a half months of 2017 than in all 12 months of any year between 2004 and 2015.

The new report states that the CPD recovered just under 7,000 guns each year from 2013 through 2016, and is on pace to exceed that in 2017. As was also noted in the 2014 report, the number of guns recovered by the CPD, on a per capita basis, far outpaces gun recovery numbers in New York City and Los Angeles.

City leaders have long bemoaned the relatively lax gun laws in Indiana as a driver of gun violence in Chicago. Indiana does not require background checks when gun sales occur at gun shows or between private parties.

According to the new report, 21 percent of guns recovered in Chicago from 2013 through 2016 were initially purchased in Indiana.

Earlier this month, Mayor Rahm Emanuel called for national gun legislation that would create uniform gun laws to prevent people from simply crossing state lines to buy guns in states with more lenient gun laws.

“If you really want a gun, you can just drive over the Indiana border and get whatever you want,” Emanuel said. “That’s why you need national gun legislation that prevents gang members and criminals from getting their hands on an assault weapon that is not meant for the streets of any urban environment.”

As was the case in the 2014 report, more than 9 percent of the guns recovered from 2013 through 2016 were found to have originated from Wisconsin and Mississippi.

“These statistics align closely with those in the prior crime trace analysis…demonstrating the consistency with which firearms enter Chicago from states with little or no regulation over [firearm] dealer sales and secondary market sales,” the report states. “This pattern highlights Chicago’s challenge to address illegal guns with a loosely-regulated national gun market.”

In the last two years, then-candidate and current President Donald Trump and his administration have used Chicago gun violence as a political punching bag, implying that additionally gun ownership legislation would be, essentially, pointless.

“I think one of the things that we don’t want to do is try to create laws that won’t create — or stop these types of things from happening,” White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said after the Oct. 1 mass shooting in Las Vegas — the deadliest in modern American history.

“I think if you look to Chicago, where you had over 4,000 victims of gun-related crimes last year, they have the strictest gun laws in the country. That certainly hasn’t helped there. So, I think we have to, when that time comes for those conversations to take place, then I think we have to look at things that may actually have a real impact.”

Though gun ownership laws are stricter in Illinois than neighboring states, the report found that — as was the case when the 2014 report was published — more than 40 percent of guns recovered in Chicago were originally purchased in Illinois.

The report concluded that of the approximately 27,500 guns recovered in Chicago from 2013 through 2016, more than 1,800 were originally purchased at Chuck’s Gun Shop, located a mile south of city limits in Riverdale.

Most of the guns recovered that were tied to Chuck’s were recovered on the South Side.

Reached by the Sun-Times, an employee at Chuck’s declined to comment.

Other gun dealers with notable ties to guns recovered in Chicago are located in west suburban Lyons, Gary, Ind., Hammond, Ind., and north suburban Lincolnwood.

Straw purchases continue to be a major factor in guns going from the open market to the secondary market, oftentimes stymying police efforts to trace the weapons’ origins.

In instances where someone was arrested and a gun was recovered, the report found the overwhelming majority of guns were not bought by the person arrested.

“In 95% of cases where the CPD was able to identify the possessor of the crime gun, that individual was not the original, lawful purchaser of the firearm based upon the ATF record at the initial point of purchase,” the report states.

Additionally, the report found, 91.6 percent of guns were traced back to an original buyer who was not linked to any other recovered firearms.

Straw purchasers will also sometimes lie to police and say their gun was lost or stolen “as an excuse intended to cut off further investigation,” according to the report.

To stem the tide of shootings, the report recommended Illinois General Assembly pass the Gun Dealer Licensing Act to help curb straw purchasing, impose anti-theft measures and help police in their gun trafficking investigations.

The senate bill was filed Sen. Don Harmon, D-Oak Park, in February and has attracted 18 co-sponsors. It passed the Senate in April. It has 30 sponsors in the Illinois House and has a final action deadline of Nov. 10.

The report also recommended that a criminal penalty be applied to private gun sellers in Illinois for failure to check a potential customer’s FOID card prior to any sale. Currently, that penalty only applies to failure to check FOID cards at gun dealerships and at gun shows in Illinois.

Max Kapustin, the Research Director of the University of Chicago Crime Lab, said that, while there are short-term changes that could help slow Chicago’s bloodshed, there is no quick fix.

“This is not a problem that appeared overnight,” Kapustin said. “And it will take concerted policy actions to address.”

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City leaders have long bemoaned the relatively lax gun laws in Indiana as a driver of gun violence in Chicago.

If the GUNS! were the actual problem, they'd be a problem in Indiana wouldn't they?

How about Shitcago focus on the REAL problem --> criminal drug gangs. Or is that "profiling"?

Houston and Chicago have almost exactly the same populations.

Houston had 302 homicides in 2016, Chicago had 762.

Houston has over 1000 places to legally buy a gun in the city, Chicago has (last I checked) none.

Clearly, limiting access to firearms will solve this.

I recall Tucker Carlson had a gun control advocate on his show a couple weeks ago. Tucker pointed out that he lives in Washington DC, and that, if anything, Virginia’s gun laws are less stringent than Indiana’s. He said there is no comparison to the murder rate in Washington as compared to Chicago. I don’t remember how the guest tried to explain that away.

It's the same lies they've been telling for thirty years, trying to generate anger among the stupid people, that the politicians can use to their own ends.

Democrat insanity -- repeat the bullshit over and over again with the same results.

Rahm "never let a good crisis go to waste" asshole.

What background check law is going to stop straw purchasers from claiming the gun being lost or stolen?

I stopped reading as soon as I saw "It is self-evident..." which is a patently false start to any argument. Nothing is self-evident. Put up some actual evidence for any statement you wish to defend.

Wonder why 45% of the "Guns" were summarily dismissed from the study?

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[i]...Out of approximately 27,500 weapons recovered during that period, the report focuses on 15,000 guns... [i]

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Originally posted by Speedbird:
Wonder why 45% of the "Guns" were summarily dismissed from the study?

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[i]...Out of approximately 27,500 weapons recovered during that period, the report focuses on 15,000 guns... [i]

Of those, 21% are coming from Indiana, yet Indiana is the problem. Huh? What about the other 4/5 of the recovered firearms?

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According to the new report, 21 percent of guns recovered in Chicago from 2013 through 2016 were initially purchased in Indiana.

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Originally posted by car541:
Houston and Chicago have almost exactly the same populations.

Houston had 302 homicides in 2016, Chicago had 762.

Houston has over 1000 places to legally buy a gun in the city, Chicago has (last I checked) none.

Clearly, limiting access to firearms will solve this.

This is worth repeating. Commie: "Just because you want it to be so doesn't make it so . . ."

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Originally posted by KMitch200:

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City leaders have long bemoaned the relatively lax gun laws in Indiana as a driver of gun violence in Chicago.

If the GUNS! were the actual problem, they'd be a problem in Indiana wouldn't they?

Stop making sense!

I had an interesting conversation with a long term Chicago resident. They believe the problem exploded when the city tore down a long time dilapidated public housing project, home to many poor and also home to a large drug gang. When the city redeveloped that area it pushed that gang hpw and there has been extensive gang on gang violence ever since in battles over turf.

As long as the dems keep focusing on writing more laws rather than enforcing them and seeing that those who commit them (their constituents)do the proper time, this problem will exist.

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“That’s why you need national gun legislation that prevents gang members and criminals from getting their hands on an assault weapon that is not meant for the streets of any urban environment.”

So let me see if I follow. Because violent, illiterate, garbage is systematically killing other violent, illiterate, garbage in Chicago, a national law banning assault weapons (and likely semi-autos) should be passed, impacting people like me in Central Florida? Did I miss something because if I didn't, this is spectacularly stupid. And say the congress lost its mind and passed ole Rahm's gun ban. There are millions of guns out there today, along with thousands upon thousands of criminals who don't give a damn about the laws of this country. So passing a law making it illegal for a criminal to acquire a gun illegally is somehow going to change something. Again, what am I missing? Oh yeah, nothing.

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Originally posted by AZ_Engineer:
I had an interesting conversation with a long term Chicago resident. They believe the problem exploded when the city tore down a long time dilapidated public housing project, home to many poor and also home to a large drug gang. When the city redeveloped that area it pushed that gang hpw and there has been extensive gang on gang violence ever since in battles over turf.

The south suburbs really took the brunt of that shit when the projects got torn down. Daley pushed all the former project residents mostly to the south suburbs, which were majority black at that time for the most part. His thinking was probably to keep people segregated.

In the late 90's and early 00's, that's when crime started to rise in the south suburbs. Those who could moved west. Crime rose, property taxes increased, businesses left. It's a damn mess in the south suburbs.

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Originally posted by KMitch200:

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City leaders have long bemoaned the relatively lax gun laws in Indiana as a driver of gun violence in Chicago.

If the GUNS! were the actual problem, they'd be a problem in Indiana wouldn't they?

How about Shitcago focus on the REAL problem --> criminal drug gangs. Or is that "profiling"?

Don't confuse him with FACTS... which he can NOT understand.

Here is Chicago's gun problem:
"Chicago seems to have a lack of willingness to prosecution crime. In 2012, Former NYPD Deputy Commissioner John Miller told CBS News, “In Chicago, you’ve got a 50-50 chance that you’re not going to do any jail time…(and)…33 percent of those cases are dismissed outright” (Reynolds, 2013). Miller’s statements may not be too far off from reality."
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"When it comes to prosecuting crimes committed with firearms, Chicago ranked eighty out of eighty-seven regions in 2011. Los Angeles ranked eighty-third, and San Francisco ranked dead last at eighty-seven – the lowest prosecution rate for gun-related crimes (Syracuse University, 2011). As of June 2015, Syracuse University noted there were only forty-eight weapons convictions in the Northern District of Illinois which includes both Chicago and Rockford, Illinois (Ballotpedia, 2014). Gun control seems to be Chicago’s focus."
What happens in crimes where there are gun charges"
"From January 2006 through August 2013, thousands of cases involving a weapons violation were thrown out in Cook County’s criminal courts, The Chicago Reporter found. More than 13,000 cases that included a gun violation have been dismissed during that period, shows the Reporter’s analysis of records maintained by the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County. In fact, more felony cases involving a gun–from illegal possession to unlawful sale to a felon–have been thrown out than cases with any other type of charge."

From the article:

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Straw purchases continue to be a major factor in guns going from the open market to the secondary market, oftentimes stymying police efforts to trace the weapons’ origins.

Here's what the article doesn't cover:
1. How much time passed between the purchase of the gun and it's recovery at a crime?
2. When the straw purchaser is identified, is there a check on any other guns the person has also purchased?
3. If the straw purchaser says the gun was stolen, is there a police report?

http://www.netadvisor.org/2015...cution/#.Wff4ftBlCf1
http://chicagoreporter.com/tho...nty-criminal-courts/

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Originally posted by AZ_Engineer:
I had an interesting conversation with a long term Chicago resident. They believe the problem exploded when the city tore down a long time dilapidated public housing project, home to many poor and also home to a large drug gang. When the city redeveloped that area it pushed that gang hpw and there has been extensive gang on gang violence ever since in battles over turf.

Same thing happened in St. Louis when they tore the projects down, and used Section 8 Housing to move them all over the place. We went from six gangs to sixty almost over night.

Here's the problem with Mayor Rahm's theory. Even though the states surrounding Illinois have more permissive gun laws, they all (with the exception of Missouri) have lower rates of murder.

So where does the problem lie, again?

The same thing applies to Massachusetts. While being adjacent to Vermont and New Hampshire, with less strict gun regulation, those states also have murder rates that are less than Massachusetts' murder rate.



If Rahm (and Democrats) really want to reduce the murder rate, then they need to start concentrating on the person's committing the murders, the inner-city gangs in Chicago.

The variable that has greatest correlation to the murder rate on a state by state basis (that I've found), is the percentage of the population that's black.

ETA: An interesting fact: If the murder rate for blacks was equal to the murder rate for whites, then the country as a whole would have a murder rate close to or equal to the rate for most European countries, which is around 1.1 murders/100K population.










Sources:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.or...nationally-and-state

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/

http://kff.org/other/state-ind...on-by-raceethnicity/