quote:

Originally posted by sigfreund:
Does this mean there is one fewer “free” state available for the “If you don’t like where you’re living, just move,” crowd to be able to point to as where to go?

And where are all the freedom-loving Texans going to go? Despite the results of the election, there must still be quite a few of them.

Your post illustrates that we have no where to go. Texas has long been a bulwark for freedom. Voting with your feet is not going to work moving forward. We have to fight back.

I saw Roy on a show and the host told him in a short period of time Tx. went from like 10 mosques to over 2000. He did not know what to say and then agreed. Texas is well on its way to going to shit.
Better wake up there folks and soon.

quote:

Originally posted by old rugged cross:
the host told him in a short period of time Tx. went from like 10 mosques to over 2000.

This is 100% bullshit. Texas has approx. over 300,000 muslims in the state, NY has the most with 750,000, and CA is next with over half a million. Texas has approx. 300 mosques, NY and CA each approx. 400 each. And for the Muslim population in TX, how many are old enough to vote?, And then how many of them are naturalized U.S. citizens? And then how many of these registered to vote? And then how many of these actually voted?

If people paid more attention to facts and simple math instead of hysteria and emotion, then a lot more can get done.

quote:

Originally posted by chellim1:

quote:

Originally posted by sigfreund:
Does this mean there is one fewer “free” state available for the “If you don’t like where you’re living, just move,” crowd to be able to point to as where to go?

And where are all the freedom-loving Texans going to go? Despite the results of the election, there must still be quite a few of them.

Your post illustrates that we have no where to go. Texas has long been a bulwark for freedom. Voting with your feet is not going to work moving forward. We have to fight back.

Florida has Joined the Chat......

In Michigan, they have the House, Senate and Governor's mansion come January. They sitting Dem reps are bluebacking stuff before the end of the curent term so bills are all ready to file on the first business day of the new session.

They have the votes so we are going to see a BUNCH of new bad gun legislation. They don't care if it won't stand up to legal challenge, they are going to get them run and signed into law.

Just kidding (mostly). My adopted home state is still OK for now. However, there has been a marked increase in traffic and rental/real estate prices.

We’re about three years away from building a retirement home on our family farm in Middle Tennessee. The area is becoming so (over-?) populated with out-of-staters (and others) that McDonalds is even moving in. We used to joke about that very event back in the 70s, never dreaming that it would become reality.

quote:

Originally posted by oddball:

quote:

Originally posted by old rugged cross:
the host told him in a short period of time Tx. went from like 10 mosques to over 2000.

This is 100% bullshit…

If people paid more attention to facts and simple math instead of hysteria and emotion, then a lot more can get done.

Not only hysteria and emotion, but downright lies. How and where did that “host” come up with 2000? From his ass is my wag. It never changes, with many on both sides. Always agenda driven half truths and lies.

quote:

Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
We've been toying with the idea of having a 2nd home in Texas, but have now scratched the idea. We have a lot of friends and family there, and someday in the future our health might require living below 7000 ft and a warmer climate.

Whether or not Texas goes full lefty retard, we don't want to live where there's a constant battle with half the population that abhors freedom. We're honestly already tired of being a minority in our county here, the most leftist Dem county in Utah, and that has the wife regularly shopping for somewhere to relocate.

As a life long resident I saw it coming. I was going to put off buying land out of state but late teens I really put some time in. Probably 2016 I started, putting a toe in the water, until I was diving into water. Bought my land April of 2023. You could see it all coming as people were moving here from liberal enclaves 2010 and on. Driving everyday and seeing the plates of the states they came from. But my county got it worst than most. I used to ride my bikes every weekend in the country. No elevation changes but the roads were decent. Now all those small towns are new subdivisions. And the developers have more power than the towns. The outgoing governor signed in a bill that won’t let a city, like Princeton, stop developers from building. Princeton town leaders have a massive problem with traffic as they cannot keep up with the exploding population via building new roads, and they are having massive issues supplying water. So the Dallas area builders association as well as the Texas builders association sued the city, and won in Austin as Abbot signed in a bill to help the developers. That’s a strong signal. Nevermind that the houses are being slung together and the build quality is low. Not cheap either but foreigners see a 3000-4000 sq ft house for $500-600k and say “I WANT THIS!” Then they get here and experience, the traffic, the heat, the property taxes, and want to sell and move. Only problem is their home is worth $150k less than they paid. It’s a mess.

TX was never this “land of the free” thing people state. That’s internet myth or lore. The reality is it’s back breaking hot. This past summer we were over 100 degrees (and it’s humid here) for 3 months straight and no rain. It’s an inclement weather state with hail, tornadoes, and if you are remotely close to the gulf, you’ll get hurricane weather that comes in off the gulf. The homeowners insurance rates reflect that. Mine got up to $450 a month, which I consider a car payment, and I was happy this year when my broker got it down to $411 a month. With these data centers pushing in, kwh rates will rise as well as water rates. And the state is already running out of water.

Then there are the property taxes. They are obscene. People run around “no state income tax!” Yet they are too damn stupid to do basic math on buying a house, and factoring in the property taxes, the high insurance costs, etc. It’s not the deal they think it is. It still gets cold in the winter so most of the year here, sucks to do anything outside. The people here, all they do is go out to eat. If that is your primary hobby then it’s your perfect spot. Outside of that, it sucks. It’s flat, no mountains, no ocean (the gulf is a shit hole) and the weather is awful. I wouldn’t want to retire here and won’t.

As far as the future, purple at best man. The Republican strong hold, imo as a lifelong resident, is over. Too many have moved here. It became a trendy and common thing to move here and if anything this blue wave, is just going to attract more of that sort, not less. Definitely look elsewhere. Every single person in my tight group, have either left already, planning for that exit, or waiting for kids to finish school, or retirement, or both. I plan on working my last 10 years of my career where my land is. I’d already be gone but the home developers have fucked up our real estate market in NTX, bad, and I’ve lost over $100k. I need that money to build my future and permanent home. So I’m stuck in this bitch until the housing market somewhat recovers. Whatever year that is.

^^^^^

We get it, you don't like Texas. Fine.

You constantly complain about the population of Texas increasing over the years. Do you really think no state is immune from this? The population of the entire country has increased every single year. Every state has faced exploding populations including California, Utah, Florida, Idaho- the last two states with the biggest population gains percentage wise, in the last five years.

Is Texas "perfect"? No. But it is still eons above many other states today. And the near future? I hope so, it depends more on Republicans in the state, not Democrats.

You're moving to another state, ironically exactly the same as Californians moving from a place they no longer can deal with, to somewhere better. So you're not different from the those you lambast, 'eh?

^ National population’s up every year — true.

Idaho (+10.4%) and Florida (+8.9%) led percentage gains 2020–2025 — also true.

Everything else is bullshit.
California lost people (down ~0.5% over that span). Multiple states declined or went flat. “Every state exploding” is just a lie.

Human primates are an invasive species. SC has been positively inundated with people from away. Think of the state as south Ohio. It's unfortunate but you just have to hope that many of the newcomers embrace the local culture.

quote:

Originally posted by xd45man:
California lost people (down ~0.5% over that span). Multiple states declined or went flat. “Every state exploding” is just a lie.

And my statement on "exploding" was meant in general, and the 2020-25 line for Florida and Idaho specifically. Every person on this forum who lives in Georgia, Washington, CA, Virginia, South Carolina, etc. etc. will tell you, traffic is intolerable, infrastructure is stained, etc. They will tell you the population has indeed "exploded" as far as they are concerned.

Yes, CA had losses during Covid, they lost approx. 400,000 people to other states in three years, but are now growing. But it is still heads and shoulders above all the other states in population, it has 40 million.

My point is that most every state has population issues,

quote:

Originally posted by Prefontaine:
TX was never this “land of the free” thing people state. That’s internet myth or lore.

LMAO. First, immediately after this sentence, you bitched about the weather, then, a little further down, bitched about people going out and eat. WTF do they have anything to do with freedom? Second, we say “land of the free” but we know it’s all relative and is never meant to be taken literally. There can’t be unrestricted freedom. Otherwise, it would be anarchy. Furthermore, on a gun forum, when we say “Welcome to the free land of (insert your favorite state here), it’s almost always in reference to the Second Amendment freedom.

You bitch about Texas freedom “myth”, so, if given only two choices, Texas or Illinois, which state would you pick to settle down in?

quote:

Originally posted by 12131:

You bitch about Texas freedom “myth”, so, if given only two choices, Texas or Illinois, which state would you pick to settle down in?

I live in Illinois. I firmly believe that Texas is worth fighting for.

quote:

Originally posted by 12131:
LMAO. First, immediately after this sentence, you bitched about the weather, then, a little further down, bitched about people going out and eat. WTF do they have anything to do with freedom? Second, we say “land of the free” but we know it’s all relative and is never meant to be taken literally. There can’t be unrestricted freedom. Otherwise, it would be anarchy. Furthermore, on a gun forum, when we say “Welcome to the free land of (insert your favorite state here), it’s almost always in reference to the Second Amendment freedom.

You bitch about Texas freedom “myth”, so, if given only two choices, Texas or Illinois, which state would you pick to settle down in?

Your first point, since you so kindly asked..freedom. I can’t even use the highway next to my house any longer. It’s packed, bumper to bumper most of the day, 7 days a week, bricked in both directions. Prior to all these people moving here I could get around and do what I wanted, more or less. My county population data below.

2010: 782,000
2020: 1,000,000
2026: 1,400,000

There is my freedom, gone, in mathematics. Sorry math or numbers do not lie. How is it free when driving anywhere, any time of day (until maybe 10pm on) is a massive pain in the ass? Double your local population and see how much you like it. I’d love anyone critiquing what I said, which was honest, to have it happen to them, then we can have a discussion. I think any normal person with a home, living their life, content with things..then bam! Double the population. Imagine the commuting to the job situation. Picking up your kids. Hell, doing anything. Well now it’s a big pain in the ass.

And I was referring to this internet myth perpetuated on social media. It was not directed at anyone here. That Texas was some kind of utopia. I’m not on social media applications, never have been, but friends are. Little Fakebook groups and what not full of people who moved here. Little groups setup to help people even think about moving here. You’re a smart man and know what a trend is. It became “trendy” to move here, and Florida. I mean many of these people didn’t even work with a realtor. They went into some developers office with free cookies and coffee and got duped into buying a house, with a temp low % rate that the builder subsidized, but now it’s normalized and are now trying to flee but are under on this big fuck off house they bought. There are a record number of homes for sale here now. So this flood of people, especially in my county, has fucked over every homeowner in the area. Developers won’t stop building homes, due to all the influx, even as these homes sit empty. So us locals took it in the ass as people flooded in. Traffic, property tax increases, homeowners insurance increases. Kwh, water cost increases. And what do we get in return? Nothing + now a heavy decrease in home value on the other side of it. Fun times. Sid Miller, our state AG commissioner sounded the alarm about Texas running out of water 2 years ago. You think people moving here from out of state care? They don’t.

I don’t live in a world where the choices are only Illinois, or Texas, thank God almighty. Last time I checked there are 50 states to choose from. Even if you want to discard Liberal-ville states, well there are still quite a number of states to choose from. Disperse out if you are gonna herd out. The problem with the herd, is they heavily targeted a few states and flooded in. As I stated..most of my people here, think and vote like we do. Every single one of them is diming out their future. And it isn’t here. And as I stated, with this state going blue, it’s just going to attract more of these people now. People are not stopping moving here. They are still coming. They don’t come in, and melt in our Texas ways. This state just went blue and it’s not just from people sitting out. You can play shoot the messenger all you want. It’s not going to change my opinion. I saw all this coming and made decisions years ago due to it. Is what it is. I voted the complete opposite of how these elections turned out. R across the board and said no to these bills they want me to fund. And I was the least surprised out of the lot about how it went. These sons of bitches aren’t even in office yet and have 35+ gun legislation bills ready to go.

Did you move to far North Collin County for lower cost housing? To get away from the congestion of the metroplex further South?

That is the same as MANY others are doing so you are just an early contributor to the problems you are now experiencing. I have family that did the same.

I live a few miles south of you and drive all over the county for work, 500-700 miles a month. I75 is bumper-to-bumper at the expected times bu not “ most of the day, 7 days a week, bricked in both directions”.

You must be miserable. When you move, others will eventually move to the same area so the cycle will continue.

The US population has doubled in about the last 60 years. Everywhere is more crowded.

This chart shows state population growth from 1970 to 2026. The US population grew by 70% since 1970.
https://www.visualcapitalist.c...-by-state-1970-2025/

States with more than a 70% growth have had net inward migration, those below 70% have had net outward migration. The problem is the combination of illiberal leftists moving in plus the younger generations being more aligned with leftist beliefs.

In Utah we've had a huge influx of tech which has brought tons of Californians and recent college grads who weren't conservatives fleeing whacky liberal policies. Lots of west coasters who sold their multi-million dollar suburban homes to take the equity and run to a low cost state, this raising the costs here dramatically.

The choice of where to live is between states that have been flooded by people seeking the great place they are, or states fading into monolithic leftist control

quote:

Originally posted by SW_Sig:
Did you move to far North Collin County for lower cost housing? To get away from the congestion of the metroplex further South?

That is the same as MANY others are doing so you are just an early contributor to the problems you are now experiencing. I have family that did the same.

No, you’re dead wrong. I did not move to far North of the county, sorry. Dead wrong. So I’m not an early contributor to anything. You swung, you missed. Totally incorrect. Far northern part of the county is where I “used” to spend my weekends having fun. All that is gone. All those small TX towns are gone, their charm, history. Now it’s suburban hell.

FL has gone through quite a bit of population expansion since COVID. Our R population numbers according to registered voters expanded nicely.

Still the vote for keeping the Blue's out of power here was close, some local congressional R lost, so we lost our super majority but we're still in control for now.

Best Governor in the Country didn't hurt, since he pushed Prop 3 on the ballot, that pretty much saved us and kept us the only top 10 populated state Red. So for now we're good, but it's only time before the Blue cock-a-roach's start multiplying.

https://x.com/DrClownPhD/status/2120225550539317557