Brownshirt "Knock knock....are those guns in your possession?"

Me "Are those level 4 plates?"

Sorry don’t think this one was random at all. This dude is very likely making straw purchases. The fact that Philly is brought up specifically and they are in Delaware leads me to believe they have a lot more info on this dude than just a multi purchase notification.
There are thousands if not tens of thousands of multiple purchase done a week. If folks really were following up on them randomly or with any real consistency for no other reason than a simple multiple purchase we’d hear about it much more often.
Does it happen sure but I’d say the vast majority are being followed up on because of other things happening.
I could be wrong but I’d say there is more to this dude than just a multiple purchase.

I got a trace back the other day on a gun I took off someone while committing a crime. It was purchased with 2 other firearms at the same time ALL 3 weapons had been recovered at crime scenes in 3 different states in under 100 days from purchase!

“I’d like to see your warrant, your badge numbers and you can wait out here until my lawyer shows up with the press.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Sorry don’t think this one was random at all. This dude is very likely making straw purchases. The fact that Philly is brought up specifically and they are in Delaware leads me to believe they have a lot more info on this dude than just a multi purchase notification.
There are thousands if not tens of thousands of multiple purchase done a week. If folks really were following up on them randomly or with any real consistency for no other reason than a simple multiple purchase we’d hear about it much more often.
Does it happen sure but I’d say the vast majority are being followed up on because of other things happening.
I could be wrong but I’d say there is more to this dude than just a multiple purchase.

I got a trace back the other day on a gun I took off someone while committing a crime. It was purchased with 2 other firearms at the same time ALL 3 weapons had been recovered at crime scenes in 3 different states in under 100 days from purchase!

Thanks for sharing you perspective! It is most informative/thought provoking. I hadn't considered the "gun owner" might be selling "whiskey to the Indians"!

I might be confused. but if the report came to them about multiple guns being purchased, wouldn't they already have THAT record of the guns purchased!...Just asking for a friend

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seemingly without a warrant and in tactical gear

The last thing I'm going to do is bring out a gun when a tactical team is waiting outside.

Screw that.

One false move and I'm dead. I'd be happy to explain that to them.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Sorry don’t think this one was random at all. This dude is very likely making straw purchases. The fact that Philly is brought up specifically and they are in Delaware leads me to believe they have a lot more info on this dude than just a multi purchase notification.

Why not take that info to a judge and get a warrant?

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Originally posted by BigJoe:
I might be confused. but if the report came to them about multiple guns being purchased, wouldn't they already have THAT record of the guns purchased!...Just asking for a friend

As I stated earlier. I highly doubt they are just randomly checking on this guy because they got a multi purchase notification.
They likely have reason to believe that this dude is making straw purchases.
Generally the officers are not going to just come out and say it. Then just being there because of an uptick in gun violence is just a ruse. Granted a pretty crappy one at that.

They know that he purchased multiple guns and they know exactly which ones. They believe he is making straw purchases.
Sometimes you just run out of things to work on and your supervisor says close this case one way or another (legally) so you just go knock on the door. They very well may say pound sand, then again they may just tell you what they have been doing, or they may lie to you flat out but due to what you have already found in your investigation know that is a complete lie and now you have more to go on.

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Originally posted by radioman:

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seemingly without a warrant and in tactical gear

The last thing I'm going to do is bring out a gun when a tactical team is waiting outside.

Screw that.

One false move and I'm dead. I'd be happy to explain that to them.

This article is very very sensationalized. There is no tactical team it’s dude in jeans and t-shirts. Yes, they have Tac vests on but it’s not like they have a SWAT team on the porch.

And no, regardless of what they are wearing it is not a good idea to be bringing new guns into the situation.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Sorry don’t think this one was random at all. This dude is very likely making straw purchases. The fact that Philly is brought up specifically and they are in Delaware leads me to believe they have a lot more info on this dude than just a multi purchase notification.

Why not take that info to a judge and get a warrant?

Because they likely don’t have probable cause just reasonable suspicion which in this scenario does not get you much.
The supervisors is likely bugging them to close the case.
It’s Pretty much like a Hail Mary in Football. You may get lucky and the dude tells you he doesn’t have them anymore, or maybe dude is not home and his girlfriend or roommate is and they tell them a bit more than they should.

This happens all the time on many levels. You know how many traffic stops I have made where I knew something wasn’t right but I had no probable cause to search the car? Do I just leave and walk away? No, I ask for consent. If they tell me to pound sand, no big deal I am never going to catch everyone and know folks are going to get by. It happens. But you know what else happens people give me consent to search the car and I find things or even sometimes they say hey I have a bag of weed in the console.

What the officers are doing is not out of bounds or illegal in any way.
The fella chose to comply, arguably not the best idea or necessarily what I would have done.
But the officers were respectful and polite.
Had he told them to pound sand and they refused, entered the residence without permission, or threatened him with arrest for not complying then we have a serious problem.

While the article wants you to think they are just going door to door I highly doubt that is the case.
Though I am sure it has happens I do not believe that to be the case here.

Thank you.

Sorry, but go develop probable cause, not a big standard to get to. Hunch, suspicion, feeling don’t care, if you got information he went to Philly, someone has been alerted on him, get the PC and get an order from a neutral magistrate or Justice. Warrant less searches even with consent are ripe for suppression, and if he is pumping guns illegally then get him right not half-assed.

In Federal court it’s “totality of the circumstances” unlike in some states veracity and basis of knowledge. Not real tough. Especially in a more liberal anti-gun district like Delaware.

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Originally posted by spunk639:
Sorry, but go develop probable cause, not a big standard to get to. Hunch, suspicion, feeling don’t care, if you got information he went to Philly, someone has been alerted on him, get the PC and get an order from a neutral magistrate or Justice. Warrant less searches even with consent are ripe for suppression, and if he is pumping guns illegally then get him right not half-assed.

In Federal court it’s “totality of the circumstances” unlike in some states veracity and basis of knowledge. Not real tough. Especially in a more liberal anti-gun district like Delaware.

That is exactly what the officers are trying to do.
Probable cause does not always present itself on the timeline you want and even when someone is 100% guilty probable cause may never present itself.
But that does not mean there aren’t times or reason to just go up and have a consensual conversation with the suspect. Which is exactly what happened here and the fella complied.

Simply not having probable cause does not mean you don’t talk to a suspect to close out a case.
They tell you to pound sand then there you go. Take your ball and go home.

I’ve been a cop and now I’m a lawyer, that’s not developing PC. That’s a state actor and Feds pushing the envelope, if you know he went to Philly, allegedly sold guns straw, watch him, follow him, get the PC and get a search or arrest warrant. Otherwise they’re looking for an easy, weak collar. Everybody has their own way to do things so I’ll agree to disagree with you.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

But that does not mean there aren’t times or reason to just go up and have a consensual conversation with the suspect. Which is exactly what happened here and the fella complied.

Simply not having probable cause does not mean you don’t talk to a suspect to close out a case.

LOL, a consensual conversation, yeah that's what is happening here.

The PO PO can legally lie to you but you cannot to them - perfectly fair.

Fishing expeditions for no good reason. Seems to be nearly congenital in some types.

DONT. TALK. TO. COPS!!!
EVER!!!

If I broke no laws then I'm wasting my time helping a government worker for free and at the risk of them deciding to find something to accuse me of.

If I did break some law then I'm most certainly not talking.

why not go after real criminals?

For example, that "My arm's shot off" guy and his crew could easily face fed charges if they have any type of record. Yet the feds don't ever seem to go after them.

There are countless examples of felons caught with guns, and nothing happens. What's the reason? In most cases the local/county has already done the dirty work, and often has them in jail already, it's just a matter of pressing federal charges.

They only go after people that have something to lose.

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Originally posted by radioman:
why not go after real criminals?

Cuz they feel safer going to Mr. White Suburban guys' door rather than to venture into da hood.