Maybe an attorney question...

Is there a way to buy a home through a trust, and have all one's address links be tied to a post office box?

My wife and I will be buying a home in the coming months. Yesterday an officer from my agency was involved in a shooting, and within hours protesters were at their house.

I hope to never be in that position, but I was wondering if, with an upcoming address change, there is some way to distance myself from being directly linked with the address.

I know things like voter's registration, driver's license (in my state), etc. require a residential address instead of a P.O. box, but I figured I'd bounce it off the all-knowing.

After Mercedes Girl ran a red light and rammed my truck, I googled her name and the entry popped up on a registered voter website (that's how I knew she was a Democrat ).

I know of a number of "family trusts" that own real estate. Unless someone knows the trust name, finding the property in public records wouldn't be easy.

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Originally posted by DennisM:
I know of a number of "family trusts" that own real estate. Unless someone knows the trust name, finding the property in public records wouldn't be easy.

I think that would be the easy part. Keeping the property disassociated with your name.

But keeping your name disassociated with the address seems like it would be much more difficult. Impossible, even, without using a fake...or less than accurate...alternative address for things that require a physical address to be provided.

Damn shame that leo's have to put up with this shit.
Raise your chillens right and they will be no need to protest and tell all who will listen how great your little after birth was.

Seems like a common-enough requirement that there must be companies/agents that will accept mail, provide an "address of record," etc. If you already have a relationship with a lawyer, you might start there.

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Originally posted by architect:
Seems like a common-enough requirement that there must be companies/agents that will accept mail, provide an "address of record," etc. If you already have a relationship with a lawyer, you might start there.

My agency specifically requires that my correct physical address be displayed on my drivers license.

That alone is absolutely damning. It's enough to make me pop up on any internet search. Mental exercise in futility, I suppose.

Interesting thought, nonetheless.

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:

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Originally posted by architect:
Seems like a common-enough requirement that there must be companies/agents that will accept mail, provide an "address of record," etc. If you already have a relationship with a lawyer, you might start there.

My agency specifically requires that my correct physical address be displayed on my drivers license.

That alone is absolutely damning. It's enough to make me pop up on any internet search. Mental exercise in futility, I suppose.

Interesting thought, nonetheless.

I agree, it completely sucks that you, or any officer, would even need to consider this.

With that, as soon as you file anything of public record your address is there. Then it's just a matter of how little Din Do Nuffin's parents and 300 of his/ her friends get that information from some unscrupulous source (legal eagle, other officer, politician, etc.).

Chongo,

I heard about a NCGS years ago for LEOS that allowed us to have some anonimoty. It allowed us to use a different address on license and things to that nature but I was never able to find it myself. It can be done and is probably well worth hiring a paralegal student at the community college to find it for you.

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I think that would be the easy part. Keeping the property disassociated with your name.

But keeping your name disassociated with the address seems like it would be much more difficult.

This is exactly right.

Imagine all of the things that you use your address for, and then assume that most of those that have your address are peddling their database to others. Before you know it that info has spread like wildfire. All it takes is once, and then everybody knows.

I was not to far from that shooting.
I was just leaving a random mandatory piss test.

Back in the day when I lived in Cols, OH I knew many high school friends and their fathers who were Columbus PD, State Troopers, Probation Officers etc.. They all used the Police HQ as their address on their license and anything else.

Also in the phone books (white pages) their names were deleted or under alias. But of course that was back in the day when everything didn't go on the internet and people actually had a right to privacy.

I just googled my name and a white pages website came up that showed my name and shows who I am related to such as:

My sister her married name along with my father and mother.

I could care less about me but I hate the fact that they show my relatives names.

The internet is great but sometimes I wish it would implode and never be heard from again.

Yes you can but instead of a PO BOX get a box at a UPS store.
You will get a physical address (of the store) and a box number listed like an apt number.
Have all of the public info stuff sent/registered there.
UPS will not give up your info without court orders.

You still won’t be anonymous (you never will in today’s society) but will add some more steps.

Also mortgage interest write off on the taxes will likely be no more.

An LLC vs trust is also a possibility.

It depends on your lender and what they will allow and how deep you want to go. I am an underwriter at a private bank and we have many celebrity clients. We do a lot of loans to blind trusts. Where the trust is something named very non descriptive like “ the beer bottle trust” seriously. Something totally kooky. Anyway. A lawyer is the trustee but the beneficiary and trustor is you and your wife. You name doesn’t show up at all on any public recorded documents.

Easier would be create a LLC to hold title in. Again if your lender will let you. You may need to find a small bank that can deal with that a 30 fixed from a mortgage broker is likely not to be the solution in this case. As part of my job I have access to a pretty robust public records search engine. I can search by name or address. If I put in your address I can see all the purchase and mortgage and recorded documents history. So it’s important that you put it in the trust or LLC at the time you buy. If you take title in your name and THEN put it into a trust or LLC your name will show up on a property search as a prior owner.

It’s tough to scrape yourself completely.

Just so you know that the professional activists are exceptionally good at doxing people. My personal belief is that many of them get inside help.

Just keep that in mind.

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Originally posted by 380Swift:
Just so you know that the professional activists are exceptionally good at doxing people. My personal belief is that many of them get inside help.

Just keep that in mind.

Absolutely right, It's too easy these days because everything is networked. Especially when there are activists embedded in just about every level of government and media who work together to mine information from data bases for targeting purposes.

I spent a few years as a private investigator in three different states. I wish we would have had the internet when I was on the job. What information took a week of tailing and stake-outs to accumulate can be done in an hour online. It's harder than ever to stay low-profile these days when even cable companies and gun permits require a physical address. Then, if you ever sell anything on line, your info is searchable for months. I can find out more in 10 minutes from Facebook then I could in a week of surveillance; where they work, where they play, what they look like, who their friends and family are, where they are going for the weekend and what they had for breakfast. Staying anonymous will take a total commitment and even then, if they have inside help, it is hard to be invisible.

ElToro, how does a trust borrow money or buy/lease a vehicle?

My county has a GIS (mapping) site where you can type in any address and look up the information for that property. the map displays property boundaries, etc... You can click on a parcel of land it it shows you who owns it, etc...

There's 1 property in my neighborhood that is blank. It's the only property I know of that shows absolutely no information. Come to find out (through the grapevine) the owner is an undercover Denver cop. He has all of his info removed since he deals with drug dealers, etc...

No idea how he did this, but apparently there's a procedure for it. I never cared enough to see if I could find out other info about him. One way would be to see if yoru county has similar info and ask them about it.

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There's 1 property in my neighborhood that is blank. It's the only property I know of that shows absolutely no information. Come to find out (through the grapevine) the owner is an undercover Denver cop. He has all of his info removed since he deals with drug dealers, etc...

See? All of that effort and everybody still knows.

The only way to almost completely disappear is to be a complete dirtbag that owns or owes nothing. You can't be a consumer in today's world and be totally anonymous.

You could buy a house through a trust and that might make it harder to track you through the real property records, but you would probably be fairly easy to track in so many other ways, that it wouldn't help much.

Consider your co-worker. Even if he was not associated on-line with his address, any one could simply follow him until he went home. Not too hard, is it?