Our old (12-15 yrs) Whirlpool dishwasher bit the dust and mama wants a new one. Having read the reviews on Bosch 300 series that seems like a good choice. Costco sells them for $899 with del/install/haul away old included and they double the 1 year warranty.

Our local independent is same price plus $180 installation. They have a $100 rebate for installation so net is pay independent $80 more and do not get 2nd year warranty.

I do know the independent has a 1st class installer who always gets it right - Costco is probably good too but some of the reviews do complain about install - grain of salt

The independent says that during covid demand was so high that Bosch, who had moved mfg to N Carolina, re-opened the German plant and that the German made products go to independents and Costco got the USA made, inferring that German made are better quality. He assured my wife he sells German made and has one in stock.

Does this sound like salesman's BS or do you think it's factual and an authentic claim?

Could be, Costco does get specific models of tv and appliances from some manufacturing companies, you'd have to call them and ask about it, or contact BOSCH directly with the Costco model number and ask.

As for install and removal, we bought our new double over/microwave unit, they brought it right over on time, removed the old one, installed the new unit, verified it works, and hauled the old one away, nothing damage, everything works.

JMO the value of the Costco Concierge service cannot be understated.

We contacted Samsung directly on an issue with the TV we bought through Costco, after 90 days, several replacement remotes (remote not connecting was the issue) a tech telling Samsung it was an internal problem, I remembered the extra warranty and Costco Concierge service

Called Concierge, and they had Samsung on the phone that day, with an appointment and a tech on the way with parts.

Our Hisense 55 on the patio went out, so I called Concierge, they got on the phone with Hisense, setup the appointment to have a tech out on the first call and the guy was there on time, that TV display failed so they are replacing it.

Your independent may be as good, and he has a tough competition with Costco, Sams as well as Home Depot and Lowes in the appliance field.

For that matter the warranty is with Bosch, and they have two plants in the USA, NC and TN and employ 2000 Americans, imagine QC at those plants are every bit as good as Germany.

https://www.bosch-home.com/us/...%20LaFolette%2C%20TN.

Your independent, an appliance professional, likely does everything in-house. Sales, service, installation, and warranty repair.

Big box stores don’t do that. They hire third parties that are the jack of all trades, but usually the master at none. When they aren’t hooking up your dishwasher they may be assembling somebody else’s exercise bike.

Know who’s in your home.

According to the interweb, Series 8 Bosch are made in Germany, all others are USA.

The model # is SMS8EDI01A

Another consideration, are German manufacture necessarily better than USA?
I'd do a little more research.
Here is a site with more info to compare.

https://prudentreviews.com/bos...rs/#Comparison-Chart

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JMO the value of the Costco Concierge service cannot be understated.

This is the ace card, Costco provides a 2-year warranty. As a member, if you have a problem, they'll work to get it fixed. While the local massive home appliance retailer will have all manor of promotions and rebate offers to go with the huge assortment of model options, you may run into issues with installation or availability, not to mention the delivery/instal costs may end-up eating what was saved with the rebate.


As for Bosch, they're known for their dishwashers and they are top-notch, I wouldn't go so far as calling them the gold standard but, they're pretty close. If you want something else that's super-duper, the Fisher-Pakel double-drawer washers are the hotness amongst premium home appliance buyers. GE's Cafe line I believe is the only other that's stepped-foot into this area.

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As for Bosch, they're known for their dishwashers and they are top-notch, I wouldn't go so far as calling them the gold standard but, they're pretty close. If you want something else that's super-duper, the Fisher-Pakel double-drawer washers are the hotness amongst premium home appliance buyers. GE's Cafe line I believe is the only other that's stepped-foot into this area.

If our Bosch ever gives up, the Fisher-Pakel is on the list for replacement, frankly I'm betting we just have to upgrade before the Bosch takes a dive...

No idea, but I'm not sure it matters.

My parents had a Bosch for 20 years. They recently replaced it with a Miele which is also excellent.

I purchased a Bosche in 2018 to replace a Kenmore. Mine was purchased at BestBuy and is a mid-range model.

I'll never own another brand of dishwasher again.

I have a GE Cafe and it cleans very well, I use Cascade powder and everything always comes out sparkling clean, even crusty stuff.

My only issue with it is that a full cycle to get everything dry is 3.31 hours. My old dishwasher took an hour but I think this is just how all the new ones are these days.

Mine has the traditional heater elements in the bottom for drying but I don’t think the Bosch ones have that, a friend has one and says it doesn’t dry very well.

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Mine has the traditional heater elements in the bottom for drying but I don’t think the Bosch ones have that, a friend has one and says it doesn’t dry very well.

Your friend likely does not keep the Jet Dry reservoir full.
Bosch dry amazingly presuming you use Jet Dry. Without it your friend is correct.

As for the matter at hand I’d likely go with Costco for the added service

We have a Bosch gas stove. Very happy. I would definitely try their dishwasher. Can’t say enough good about Costco…

When our Kenmore died two years ago, we installed a Bosche. It has been great. It cleans the dirtiest, most sided one dishes. Quiet too.

I would be inclined to go with the local independent guy, assuming he does his own install and service, and his reputation is good locally.

If his product is indeed German origin, that is even better.

Bosch dishwasher typically don't dry well especially plastics because they use a pass through heater-

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Bosch dishwasher typically don't dry well especially plastics because they use a pass through heater-

I have a Bosch and use Jet Dry and have no issues with drying, providing you don't take them out right when the unit is done.

I'd take the 2 year warranty and cheaper price over a 1 year warranty and possible German build.

Personally, for that close of a price difference I’d buy from the local shop, whether he’s blowing smoke or not. Not likely that something will go wrong in 2 years instead of one, and even still it doesn’t matter. I happily pay more to buy local so that I can support local small business, and to avoid having to “press 1 for…” when I call because I need help with something.

Appliance after care rarely became an issue in the early days,
But the early eighties changed all that.

Now days with the lax quality controls and planned obsolescence.

I find it a very important consideration. I used to haul off kitchen and laundry equipment that was 26 and 30 years old, on a regular basis.

Now
they switch models so often that I wonder about purchasing two cloths dryers ,just to make sure there will be parts available in five years, should the primary dryer require parts.

I've fixed our Bosch dishwasher twice in the last 16 years and it still looks great.

1st) It caught on fire @ 5 years back, filling the kitchen with acrid smoke. The event of which dramatically reduced my opinion of Bosch's vaunted engineering skills when I saw that they had connected a small aluminium wire carrying the power to a large Aluminum wire with a wire nut. Fortunately they had put the connection in a junction box, so the melted wire nut was the extent of the damage. I soldered the 2 wires together, and then re-wire nutted it. Simple, although I've kept a wary eye on it and a fire extinguisher nearby and handy as well.

2nd) Somehow a soldered resister in the control panel lost continuity. I was looking up prices for a new one as getting into the core of the thing was not easy, and the aged and brittle plastic clips were breaking as I went into it to disassemble it. The replacement cost was stunning enough that I went back at the repair. Finally got to the control panel, located and then soldered the spot and it was like new after reassembly. Well, the button writing had worn completely off so I'd used a white paint pen to remark them so we could use it again as we forgot which button was which. Maybe not quite like new:-)

But it's back to working and the dishes look perfect. I haven't heard that the US vs Germany differences were a thing. Figure USA is GTG and I wouldn't worry over it.

I called Costco yesterday with a couple questions concerning installation and haul off of old appliance. Got a knowledgeable lady on the phone and this is what she said - Since I have a long positive track record with my old installer, use him.

Costco delivers the dishwasher and then the installer comes back at a later date - Costco's review section on Bosch dw is full of bad installation reports and lengthy delays for install appointments. What I saw on the installation instructions is Bosch 3 prong plug standard for a wall receptacle and a kit to hardwire is optional. The cs rep said I needed an outlet, which I don't have and to me that sounds like a hoop and a hassle. Cost to buy from independent is $200 additional out of pocket but I'll get $100 rebate back in 6 to 8 weeks. I paid $1142 this am and install will be in a couple days.

For what it's worth, the owner of the store assured me positively that the machine I'll get is made in Germany.

It's good you figured out what works for you, for $200 difference it's an easy decision either way.

Will say I had a oven/microwave built in unit we bought from Costco, there was no delay in getting it installed, they pulled the old unit, installed the new one on the day it was delivered.

That was pre-covid where everything was done asap, now everyone is overbooked, understaffed, delivery and installs are a bit different.

Glad you got what you liked the Bosch is nice, and ours drys without issue, just don't expect it to be super dry if you open it right when the timer beeps it's done, there is still some humidity/moisture inside, I pop the door and let it sit a few minutes to clear, but all the dishes are dry, super clean and generally hot to the touch..

The rinse liquid is always a good idea especially if you have hard water, no mater the make or model...