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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/intera...ly-bullets-guns.html

This article, upon a quick skim, seems to be another fear-mongering article, speculating on whether smaller bullets would reduce the number of homicides. "In Boston from 2010 to 2015, there were 221 gun homicides. Research suggests that one change could have lowered that number by 40 percent: smaller bullets." The article gets its start referring to a JAMA study examining weapons used in shootings in Boston.

What bugs me very quickly about the article is the illustrations. For instance: the illustration of a .22LR cartridge. It's a nice photo, end-on and "standing up," with a scale beside it indicating a [cartridge] length of about 2.5cm. Naturally, further down the article are similar illustrations of the 9mm and .45 cartridges.

I could be wrong here, but I believe that non-gun people who would read (or skim) this article would essentially be fooled into believing that the entire item shown in the photograph is the "bullet." "Gun People," of course, know that only a portion of what's shown is the actual bullet.

To be fair, my pickiness doesn't preclude the premise of the article: a larger bullet will do more damage. But still, I feel like there's a bit of misleading going on when illustrations like these are used.


Am I wrong?




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Bullet Lives Matter.




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Not surprising. If it’s in the New York Slimes, you can bet the goal is to misrepresent in one way or another.




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Thank God they did their homework, I will switch from 9mm to 45acp ...thank you NYT!
 
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In other news, water wet.

Maybe they'd be happy if everyone was shot with mere .30 caliber rounds like 300 magnum.




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Thank God they did their homework, I will switch from 9mm to 45acp ...thank you NYT!


If I could get a 16" gun to "conceal", i'd carry that bitch.




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I like how they insinuated that 9mm and .45 came on the scene in the 90s. Well I guess technically correct....the 1890s.

God don’t tell them about 10mm.....that’d Be one hell of a weapon of mass distraction for them.


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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/intera...ly-bullets-guns.html

This article, upon a quick skim, seems to be another fear-mongering article, speculating on whether smaller bullets would reduce the number of homicides. "In Boston from 2010 to 2015, there were 221 gun homicides. Research suggests that one change could have lowered that number by 40 percent: smaller bullets." The article gets its start referring to a JAMA study examining weapons used in shootings in Boston.

What bugs me very quickly about the article is the illustrations. For instance: the illustration of a .22LR cartridge. It's a nice photo, end-on and "standing up," with a scale beside it indicating a [cartridge] length of about 2.5cm. Naturally, further down the article are similar illustrations of the 9mm and .45 cartridges.

I could be wrong here, but I believe that non-gun people who would read (or skim) this article would essentially be fooled into believing that the entire item shown in the photograph is the "bullet." "Gun People," of course, know that only a portion of what's shown is the actual bullet.

To be fair, my pickiness doesn't preclude the premise of the article: a larger bullet will do more damage. But still, I feel like there's a bit of misleading going on when illustrations like these are used.


Am I wrong?


I kid you not, back in 05 I watched a dvd movie wherein a gun was fired and depicted in slow motion was the entire cartridge flying toward the target. I forget the name of the movie now but I laughed out loud. Everyone else in the room missed it.



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Well, then clearly the .223 (rounded down to .22) bullets I shoot in my “assault rifle” can’t do much harm!
Thanks, NYT!


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Ohhhhhh no. Them’s boolits tumble and will rip a man in half. Roll Eyes


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Good article, it's not as if any tier 1 operators would ever pick a 4.7mm for CQB. Roll Eyes




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That article made my brane hurt.



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And so, the New York Times is engaging in The Caliber Wars.
 
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And so, the New York Times is engaging in The Caliber Wars.


I've said it before, the caliber war is over.



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I skimmed that article last week. The graphs are too simplistic with "smaller - larger" descriptions. I clicked thinking there would be an actual caliber breakdown.

Shot placement has greatly improved over the last decade in this area. I noticed a marked increase in fatal shootings and more head shots reported over the last decade. Thank Hollywood for glorifying firearms. Jack Bauer with 267 on-screen killings ...
 
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weapon of mass distraction

Nicely done




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Sweet, the NYT is going to solve the caliber debate. Why didn't we get them involved to begin with!!!




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You know, one the one hand I like data, and would be interested to see some more statistics on gunshot wounds and the bullets used. On the other hand, I know that literally any data produced will almost immediately be used as an excuse to take something away from me.

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I kid you not, back in 05 I watched a dvd movie wherein a gun was fired and depicted in slow motion was the entire cartridge flying toward the target. I forget the name of the movie now but I laughed out loud. Everyone else in the room missed it.

That sounds even dumbber than the curving bullets in Wanted.
 
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