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My sentiments exactly. I have and will fight for his right to stand or not stand, or exercise any other rights that are guaranteed by our Constitution, but that doesn't change my view that he and his parents are assholes. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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We must be twins!  Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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Well, it is Boulder after all! Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
I agree with you. He has proved that he is a no-good punk. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Compelled allegiance is no allegiance at all. "Ninja kick the damn rabbit" | |||
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In my view compelled allegiance is not what happened here. Standing out of simple respect was the point. Maybe I missed something. Yes, the parents should have taught this. Many parents now want to be “friends” with their kids and expect schools to do more and more parenting, without calling it that. | |||
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This happened in middle school so kid is in 6,7, or 8 grade. Probably copying his parents or following their orders. Everyone who has a problem with the Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem should GTFO now! | |||
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| Three Generations of Service  |
Gosh, if I were a nasty, suspicious old man, I'd be tempted to think that was sarcasm. Be careful when following the masses. Sometimes the M is silent. | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
When I was 14, my family moved from New York City to the mountains. My first day at the new school, the Pledge came over the PA and everyone stood and recited it. I sat, watching and thinking "What the hell is going on here?" The homeroom teacher ran at me screaming "Get up! Get up!" Naturally, being me, I laughed at such a display from an adult. She sent me to the principal's office. The principal attempted to impress upon me that this was a very serious matter and told me "Boy, you will stand and recite the pledge or I will suspend you". Naturally, my punk ass 14 yr old answer was "You go right ahead. I'll be back the next day, with my ACLU lawyer". We compromised on me standing and became good friends. I had no opinions on the pledge. I had no idea before that day that people said it in school. I just wasn't going to be bullied. Edit: I stood, after that. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
What the Hell? | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
Yeah, I had no clue. I was 14 and had grown up in NYC. I was a know it all little punk. I learned better, much later. Edit: In my defense, I was raised by NY Democrats. I could hardly be expected to have a clue, then. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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I said it all through school. I with Mikey - GTFO. Donald Trump is not a politician, he is a leader, politicians are a dime a dozen, leaders are priceless. | |||
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But from a legal standpoint, it seems the student's choice to not stand would fall under the SCOTUS decision of West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 319 U.S. 624 (1943). Correct? But that may be a moot point anyway if the school policy is indeed as quoted:
By the way, the teacher should know better than to go hands-on with a student in 2018. . | |||
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I have long advocated abolishing public schools and the government funding of primary education. This is just one more reason why. If we as parents had to pay directly for that service we would be much better consumers and the children of parents that care would do much better . Loading children up with 12 to 13 years of crazy socialism is a lousy idea. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
...and as soon as they are legally old enough to vote, they should be asked to leave the USA, along with their citizenship papers on the desk behind them. tac | |||
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| When you fall, I will be there to catch you -With love, the floor |
Fine with me. About 75 percent of my tax bill goes to the school system. Enrollment dropped yet costs still keep going up. We have a 1 to 9 teacher / student ratio. they could get rid of some staff and make it 1 to 13 or so. Worked for us. Today taxpayers pay for all the addons parents dmenad but don't pay for...ever. | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Shoot, we kept our mouth shut about whatever disciple we caught at school. Any sniveling would have been greeted with "Well, you obviously didn't get enough, so..." | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
Oh no, not at all. That kid is a punk. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
Probably correct, but on the other hand legal BS combined with political correctness is how this country got so screwed up. There is always some reason kids don't have to learn respect these days. | |||
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| Three Generations of Service |
One of the many things I love about this place is our ability to discuss things we feel strongly about and remain (mostly...) civil. I know I have a habit of running off at the mouth and making very black-and-white statements on matters that are mostly gray. It's nice to know that someone who's maturity and intellect I respect agrees with me on occasion. Thanks. Be careful when following the masses. Sometimes the M is silent. | |||
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