I'm a child of the 50s. I grew up on comic books and "B" sci-fi/monster movies. I still love this stuff!
I've been having a lot of fun with the superhero movies. I like 'em. It ain't about deep thoughts, art or even making sense. Its about sitting down for a couple of hours and escaping the tribulations of the real world. Its a distraction, nothing more. That's really what any movie is about.
I like the Marvel movies because they throw in a good bit of humor and have no problem with making fun of themselves. They're just plain fun!
The DC movies take themselves much too seriously. They're trying to take a real world approach to what is actually fantasy.
The dark, brooding hero just takes all the fun out of it. The villains are way more fun than the heroes.
Quit thinking about world class movie making. Just kick back and enjoy the show.

I enjoy most of the Superhero movies.

I guess when someone experienced offers an opinion on something 100% subjective in the future I'll let that completely change what I like and how I think

It a GD movie, I didn't ask if I could enjoy it. I certainly didn't aks Ridley Scott if I could cause his opinion on this means about as much to me as my shower head's opinions.

If a James Beard winning chef said McDonald's wasn't quality food, Well no shit, AND? We know they have elementary stories, their superhero movies FFS.

Yeah, I see this type of response a lot these days. Straw men, reductio ad absurdum, misdirection, etc.

The genre has been trashed. You like the trash they put out and you'll make excuses for that. Simple as that.

Im okay liking what someone else calls trash, but I don't ask for anyone else's money to buy my tickets either.

I pay for them and don't particularly care what anyone else thinks I should or shouldn't like.

Everyone is free to make their own opinion and nobody is forced to go see it. Nor is anyone gonna tell me I shouldn't.

If someone thinks less of me because I watch them and ENJOY most of them, then I'll file that with the ever growing pile of stuff that doesn't mean anything to me.

It's a movie genre for crying out loud. It's just the most popular one to bash on currently. I've disliked the last few and no longer go to the theater to see them, I wait for release on streaming, but that opinion is formulated by me, not influenced by opinion.

I won't call it popular opinion either, given the success of the genre I'd wager its a common, but unpopular one.

To each their own, if we all agreed it be boring AF.

ETA: Difficult to say straw man as I agree with his sentiment, I just don't care, I still find them entertaining. I agree beer isn't healthy, but I'm gonna drink it whenever I want. I agree IPAs are overdone, I'll still enjoy them whenever I decide. His argument or critique simply means nothing.

Besides the language, this guy really nails what so many here are saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ92cggLMx8

Shout out to The Critical Drinker. It has nothing to do with the genere of film, but the losers writing the films. Every genere is trashed with these writers and producers.

To borrow another YouTuber, if modern Hollywood could get what Batman: The Animated Series could nail with a 65 episode first season that required new episodes 5 days a week, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Im okay liking what someone else calls trash …

I do enjoy trash. Blue Velvet, The Wicker Man, A Clockwork Orange, Wild at Heart, et al. Absolute garbage. Enjoyable garbage.

Those of you who are upset with my comments, you're just going to have to be upset.

A Clockwork Orange is garbage? LMAO. Sorry, no Stanley Kubrick film was ever “garbage”. He set the standard for directing and cinematography that are all judged by. Not a, but THE master of them all. Mentioning him in a superho thread is like comparing a doughnut to filet mignon.

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A Clockwork Orange is garbage? LMAO. Sorry, no Stanley Kubrick film was ever “garbage”. He set the standard for directing and cinematography that are all judged by. Not a, but THE master of them all. Mentioning him in a superho thread is like comparing a doughnut to filet mignon.

Don't get me wrong. I love that movie. It's absolutely hilarious. The rape ballet, the milk bar tables, the faces in the camera. All amazing. And ridiculous.

Back to the original RS comments, yes he is right on except that even the special effects CGI and all can make it even worse.
So that leaves the problem with the lack of originality of scripts or at least an original interpretation of the same.
Granted most all movies are copies or rehashes of something done before.
Sometimes we get lucky on something done by a particular genius and then we finally get something really interesting or new.
Those are few and far between.

They make these movies for the money, and they rake in a ton of it. Not just the U.S. - China, which now has a bigger market for first run movies. China does not allow anything R-Rated in theaters so PG-13 cartoon violence is all they get. Actually this is true for ALL media in China, nothing above PG-13 is legal, but of course there is a black market for more "adult" stuff. They even edited out the barely nude scene in Titanic.

I find this amusing because prostitution is rampant and they barely try to hide it at all. But you know, they don't have any dirty movies so morality is safe!

Marvel and their ilk make more money on these in China than in the U.S. so that's what the studios are going to produce.

My son is 18 now and when he was younger we watched the movies. Iron Man was good, just a smart rich guy with a fancy suit. But then things got really complicated and more or less incomprehensible. Guardians of the Galaxy was entertaining - again in the context of watching a movie with your 10 year old. We got caught up on all the back stories so that the last couple Avengers had enough continuity, otherwise they would have been unbearable. But now that he's old enough we watch the great war movies, mob movies, Michael Mann crime movies, John Wick, and other more interesting stuff.

I will say that while I can sit through a Marvel movie, the DC stuff is just terrible and I lose interest almost immediately.

I like Ridley Scott, even Prometheus. Probably because I didn't know a thing about it and watched it on a long flight based on the blurb in the inflight entertainment system. So as it unfolded I started to realize it was a pre-quel to Alien, but not until we got to see the inside of the alien spacecraft and the black goo.

Another thing that making movies for China is killing is the low to mid budget comedy - the kind SNL people used to do after leaving the show. While special effects movies play well in countries that don't speak English natively, comedy does not.

Like whatever you like, or not, obviously, but the idea that there is an objective standard in these things is flatly fucking ludicrous and lacking clear thinking.

No one here can even begin to claim superiority in these things, and in attempting to do so are doing nothing but prading around their personal preferences as facts.

Parade such things all you like but it doesn't mean shit, broadly speaking. No more than my personal distaste for Green Beans means anything at all. Pure tastes.

Arguing otherwise makes one seem crazy as hell, or just starting shit - which is better than delusional, but still doesn't mean anything substantive at all.

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Don't get me wrong. I love that movie. It's absolutely hilarious. The rape ballet, the milk bar tables, the faces in the camera. All amazing. And ridiculous.

It's set in a dystopian future. It's not meant to be funny, it's meant to be mental, and very disturbing. Kubrick always took on extremely difficult subject material. Orange, while one of the best films I think ever made, is difficult to watch for me even today. Stanley liked to challenge the viewer, at every turn, which is what separates him from just about everyone else. It wasn't the controversy he was after, ever, it was the difficulty rating. Always performing the most difficult dive imaginable, by comparison.

The sex scene where young Alex picks up two teenage girls in the record store and takes them back to his lair to have sex, in the novel, this is a rape of two ten year old girls. Due to the time it was made in, well it's easy to see why this was changed. None of the film was funny to me. As Alex said, ultra violence.

Either way, or opinion, is has nothing to do with superho or Marvel by any stretch. Stanley's work, was not even understood, by say Steven Spielberg. Many legendary directors would go on record stating that 2001, or one of his other films, they didn't even like it. Then years later it would re-release, they'd view a 2nd time and then understood what a masterpiece it was. So some actor taking roids and putting on a rubber suit being mentioned in the same sentence as a Kubrick film is an absolute joke.

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Originally posted by mark123:
Don't get me wrong. I love that movie. It's absolutely hilarious. The rape ballet, the milk bar tables, the faces in the camera. All amazing. And ridiculous.

It's set in a dystopian future. It's not meant to be funny, it's meant to be mental, and very disturbing. Kubrick always took on extremely difficult subject material. Orange, while one of the best films I think ever made, is difficult to watch for me even today. Stanley liked to challenge the viewer, at every turn, which is what separates him from just about everyone else. It wasn't the controversy he was after, ever, it was the difficulty rating. Always performing the most difficult dive imaginable, by comparison.

The sex scene where young Alex picks up two teenage girls in the record store and takes them back to his lair to have sex, in the novel, this is a rape of two ten year old girls. Due to the time it was made in, well it's easy to see why this was changed. None of the film was funny to me. As Alex said, ultra violence.

Either way, or opinion, is has nothing to do with superho or Marvel by any stretch. Stanley's work, was not even understood, by say Steven Spielberg. Many legendary directors would go on record stating that 2001, or one of his other films, they didn't even like it. Then years later it would re-release, they'd view a 2nd time and then understood what a masterpiece it was. So some actor taking roids and putting on a rubber suit being mentioned in the same sentence as a Kubrick film is an absolute joke.

Kubrick made a lot of great and thought-provoking films. A Clockwork Orange was not one of them. It was a hilarious mesh of terrible acting and an absurd mixing of silliness with violent visuals. It still makes me giggle just like the first time I saw it in a movie theatre. It may have been Kubrick's intention but the book to movie adaptation was an abject failure if it was supposed to disturb me. I’ve got to read the book again now. I’ve seen the movie probably 50 times but only read the book once.

Apologies for the off-topic banter.

Edit - Roku considers it “Drama/Dark Comedy”.

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Like whatever you like, or not, obviously, but the idea that there is an objective standard in these things is flatly fucking ludicrous and lacking clear thinking.

No one here can even begin to claim superiority in these things, and in attempting to do so are doing nothing but prading around their personal preferences as facts.

Parade such things all you like but it doesn't mean shit, broadly speaking. No more than my personal distaste for Green Beans means anything at all. Pure tastes.

Arguing otherwise makes one seem crazy as hell, or just starting shit - which is better than delusional, but still doesn't mean anything substantive at all.

Man, what in the fuck are you talking about? Are you allergic to plain English? Tell us what you're trying to say, because trust me, you are not getting through.

Plain English, please.

Most are total garbage with the exception (to me) of Logan. That was a pretty damned good movie and story.

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DOOOD!!!! That's blasphemy!!!!

Agreed. I liked Prometheus a lot.

Of all the Alien movies, I lied that one the best.

Better than Aliens? You and I CANNOT be friends.