Ridley Scott is wrong.

No, whether or not you're a fan of his films, Ridley Scott is not wrong in his opinion of these films.

Last year, Martin Scorsese made similar remarks- more politely, but just as unkind- about this overused-to-the-point-of-insanity genre.

It's funny to see Hollywood talk shit about Hollywood.

Kinda like a 3rd grade insult battle.

Yall all make the same shit, one makes more money so others are jealous.

Last I checked box office receipts determined how good a film is since the object is to make it for the audience. Horrible story or not, don't be jealous.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Expert308:
Alien was the best of that series, probably just because it was the first and set the bar. Aliens was good shoot-em-up fun to watch. 3 and 4, meh at best.

Yep.

Yep.

Scott had stinkers, too, but he is absolutely correct about these garbage superhero movies that cater to children / teenagers with attention span of a flea. Storylines are afterthoughts and pretend storylines. They are there just to support the special effects.

The marvel characters and stories are based on comic books. Think about it.

I'm not a big fan, but I like them. Some of the movies and the characters are pretty good. I liked Ironman, and I really like the Deadpool character. I thought both Captain Marvel and Wonderwoman were very well done examples for young women, in a world of questionable movies and TV. Something I don't mind showing to my daughter, or grand daughter.

The Guardians of the Galaxy series, or most of it, was fairly entertaining.

I've seen most of these movies in the theater, and where they don't do it for me is the amount of action. There's too much going on. When things are really blowing up, I can't keep track. I've fallen asleep during some of the movies. Too much. The effects are great, just way too much of it

The seawhiz gun can track 24 targets at once; I can track about two. Even in a movie.

I don't need a literary plot arc in a comic book hero movie. Hell, I like John Wick and the plot on there is nearly a straight line, no surprises. Just fun to watch. The superhero movies are the same way, so long as one does what one is supposed to do: suspend disbelief.

Ridley Scott isn't wrong. His criticism covers most movies made by Hollyweird these days. I don't mind superhero movies. They provide a pleasant couple of hours of escape for me but I don't go in to them expecting much. I guess what i'm saying is no expectations no disappointment.

It depends on your taste and what you are looking for. Marvel movies are for those of us who don't give a crap about the plot and just want to laugh and have a good time.

Years ago I did enjoy the very occasional super hero movie (example the first Captain America) but the frequency of them just kept increasing and increasing to the point of absurd saturation. I also became a crotchety 40-something malcontent and came to partially blame the saturation of super hero movies for the infantilization of todays young men. Bitch tit, snowflake, commie simp, beta cucks seem to have an insatiable appetite for this childish genre. If Ridley Scott throws shade at super hero movies I am all too happy to see it.

Ridley Scoot may have had successful films, but very few of them are great. Let’s take Alien, for example. It’s just a slasher horror film set in space. The reason it did so well was cool (for the time) special effects, and hiring Giger for the design of the alien & ship. I’ve seen it done better in films that didn’t have gee whiz special effects to fall back on. By the end I was cheering for the Alien.

All the Alien films are predictable. The Prometheus films are flat out awful, with the dumbest characters perhaps ever on film.

I could go on, but what would be the point? Hollywood screws up everything it touches. Just look at Heinlein’s “Starship Troopers”. The seminal military sci-fi novel, written by arguably the greatest sci-fi author, great proponent of Libertarian concepts and patriot. Even the comic books have better character development than the movie versions of them.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
Bladerunner alone is better than every Marvel movie ever made combined.

I’ve still not made it through that movie so I wouldn’t know. People keep telling me it’s great.

I am surprised by some of the replies .

Mr. Scott is one of the better directors around and as an individual entitled to his own opinion.
We may or not agree with him but the fact remains that as a professional, he has better knowledge of the subject and is better informed.

What i do not understand is why his judgment must be compared to his own career. Why attack the individual (ad hominem) or his work when he gives an opinion and where does that leave us when posting…

Just saying…

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Originally posted by 0-0:
I am surprised by some of the replies .

Mr. Scott is one of the better directors around and as an individual entitled to his own opinion.
We may or not agree with him but the fact remains that as a professional, he has better knowledge of the subject and is better informed.

What i do not understand is why his judgment must be compared to his own career. Why attack the individual (ad hominem) or his work when he gives an opinion and where does that leave us when posting…

Just saying…

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I don't think anyone is attacking him, just offering a differing opinion.

I simply don't understand why they have to say anything, if you don't like it dont watch it.

All I did was quote Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap, but the 10% that isn't is a good as anything else.

It applies to Ridley Scott, Superhero movies, to any form of art. Great stuff is great stuff, but there's a lot of crap people make in order to cash in on someone else's success.

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
I don't think anyone is attacking him, just offering a differing opinion.

Oh, sure they're attacking him, and he's being attacked/critiqued/ridiculed for the same reason people always get this kind of treatment when they make critical remarks about someone's pet films or music or whatever.

If anything, Scott is more than qualified to make such comments. He's been a part of the Hollywood system for decades, and he's made films in the science fiction genre. Now, contrast this to the avearge "film critic" these days- who has accomplished...what in terms of the craft of film making?

Nothing, that's what.

Over and over, we see this these days. Adults- grown-ass men- getting pissy because someone has had the audacity to call what has been corrupted into a complete SHIT genre- a utterly MINDLESS, repetitive cycle- exactly what it is.

People- ADULTS- need to snap out of it. Put away your widdle "superhero costume". Really, snap the fuck out of it.

We have prominent directors- Scorsese and Scott- coming right out and saying things which will be to their detriment in their chosen profession. Just why in the world do you think they're doing this?


Seriously, guys- MEN- GROW UP. Ridley Scott is not the message. He's merely the messenger.

And so am I. Grow up. There's not a man here- regardless of their feelings about these films- who doesn't understand exactly what I mean when I say GROW UP. Stop making excuses for an extended childhood. Really, just stop.

Saying that it's merely a matter of taste is a tremendous cop-out. You're dealing in childhood fantasies, when you should have left that stuff behind you, long, long ago, in a galaxy far away.

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Originally posted by mark123:

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
Bladerunner alone is better than every Marvel movie ever made combined.

I’ve still not made it through that movie so I wouldn’t know. People keep telling me it’s great.

Because it is

Anybody like / appreciate Raised by Wolves - on HBO Max?

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Anybody like / appreciate Raised by Wolves - on HBO Max?

There's a running thread on it in The Lair.

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Originally posted by mark123:

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
Bladerunner alone is better than every Marvel movie ever made combined.

I’ve still not made it through that movie so I wouldn’t know. People keep telling me it’s great.

I'm sad for you, but we'll both get over it.

Hollywood has gotten fat and lazy in addition to a huge lack of talented writers. All this fantasy cgi stuff is cheap to make and easy to write. But it's still making them boat loads of money. I used to take my daughter to the movies once a month or so just to get her out of the house a couple hours away from the hubby and the kiddo.

Last movie we went to together was Bohemian Rhapsody. Nothing since then has interested either of us. So now we go out for a burger and couple of beers and converse which is probably better.