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One of the best legal-articulations I've heard as it relates to Pretti unaliving inserting himself into the situation.
Send this to your argumentative Leftist

 
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...unaliving...
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...unaliving...
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Can't say I disagree with this article. Time will tell as we move forward but if things blow over with no consequences to anyone involved with Signal Chat, or the financial support system or any of the infrastructure the commies have built in this country Trump will have made a grave mistake. Minnesota is where the rubber meets the road.

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It does seem likely, however, that Good and Pretti would still be alive if they had not been egged on by people like Walz and Frey. They would also likely still be alive if the federal government had done the right thing from the start and invoked the Insurrection Act, arrested all the obstructionists, elected officials giving political cover, and their financiers, restoring order the moment things started to get out of hand. Not doing so gave federal agents the impossible job of trying to conduct successful law enforcement operations while simultaneously battling left-wing agitators.


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^^ I disagree with the article, in that I believe this is a 'Be Careful What You Wish For' scenario. I would not be surprised if Trump is being cautious and measured knowing that if he invokes the Insurrection Act, he will ultimately be forced to deploy the military not just to Minneapolis, but the every deep blue city in the country! I believe he's hoping to avoid that, as in that scenario, not only will insurrectionists be getting killed at the hands of the US Military, but almost certainly innocent Americans will lose their lives as well. Though Leftist Democrat politicians in Minnesota (along with Leftist NGOs AND the media!) are certainly culpable, Good and Pretti are victims of their own delusional stupidity...Period.

Like it or not, Minnesota voted for this (which almost certainly involved large scale voter fraud, but I digress), and have done so repeatedly! Donald Trump can't fix that by his own actions, or with the stroke of a pen. We're gonna have to rely on the judgement of Donald Trump here. At least if he's seemingly exhausted every last resort before invoking the Insurrection Act, there will be no 'legitimate' question that he was forced to do so. That said, Leftist Democrats are going to do what Leftist Democrats do, and Trump is giving them rope for which to hang themselves with. When the time comes, they can and will be held to account for their actions, hopefully with extreme prejudice.


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Tucker discusses color revolution with Michael Shellenberger:

I can't watch him. Which side is Tucker on today?

Well, you are certainly free to not watch him.
Tucker is on the side of native born citizens, even the white Christians, which have fallen out of favor with our government.



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One of the best legal-articulations I've heard as it relates to Pretti unaliving inserting himself into the situation.
Send this to your argumentative Leftist

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^^ I disagree with the article, in that I believe this is a 'Be Careful What You Wish For' scenario. I would not be surprised if Trump is being cautious and measured knowing that if he invokes the Insurrection Act, he will ultimately be forced to deploy the military not just to Minneapolis, but the every deep blue city in the country! I believe he's hoping to avoid that, as in that scenario, not only will insurrectionists be getting killed at the hands of the US Military, but almost certainly innocent Americans will lose their lives as well.


This my position, as well. Always resolve a situation with the lowest level of force required.

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Good and Pretti are victims of their own delusional stupidity...Period.


We need to keep pounding on this.




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Well, unions need to be labeled as terrorist organizations and members charged with felonies for funding this. Well, you had a choice to join or refuse, so you 100% support all of this.

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not watch him.
Tucker is on the side of native born citizens, even the white Christians, which have fallen out of favor with our government.

I didn't intend to come off as flippant with you. I apologize.

I was a fan of his for a long time, but his recent comments on Islam are way off base. I don't believe he is that ignorant about the religion, so the other option is that he is indebted to someone wanting to promote more Islamic incursion in the US.



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The Hippocratic Oath is now dead. It is alarming to see how many health care practitioners think its ok to harm or deny care to patients.


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The Hippocratic Oath is now dead.


No, it isn't.

Neither is the Boy Scout Oath, the Jaycees Creed,
The Pledge of Allegiance, The Veterinarian's Oath, nor several others that aren't coming to mind.

Shirley, you didn't mean that.
 
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No, it isn't.

You sure about that? And as for the source this was the easiest to find there are social media posts regarding this but it hasn’t made the main stream media



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I was a fan of his for a long time, but his recent comments on Islam are way off base. I don't believe he is that ignorant about the religion, so the other option is that he is indebted to someone wanting to promote more Islamic incursion in the US.

Like Qatar, perhaps, where he has recently "purchased" a home. Certainly would explain all of the muslim love and the anti-Israel bile he has been spewing.


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Shirley, you didn't mean that.


And stop calling me Shirley.....




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Goddamn, people. The Oath, The Pledge of Allegiance, or The Constitution etc., is not dead. These declarations and documents can never be dead. A few rotten apples here and there cannot kill a concept, a principle, an idea…


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Good on Florida for digging deeper on this and rooting these people out. More States need to follow suit.
 
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Good and Pretti are victims of their own delusional stupidity...Period.


We need to keep pounding on this.


Yes, but, the delusional left will never get it. For the masses in the middle, and especially for potential R voters, yes we need to make sure the message is out in an understandable explanation. But the TDS lefties I've tried discussing this with are hopelessly lost in their hatred and delusions. They simply cannot understand that actions can lead to justifiable lethal force by law enforcement, even if the person was not armed and/or was not intending to harm the officer. We don't know what exactly either of the two intended in the way of harm, but that doesn't matter. The TDS left believes social justice warriors are justified in their actions and thus any harm to them is literal murder by law enforcement.
 
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You may not agree with it 100%, but I thought this was worth a read. Goes along with the old saying "When you bring a gun with you, leave the ego at home."


From https://www.concealedcarry.com...et-to-fight-anymore/ :

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You Don’t Get to Fight Anymore: Lessons for Armed Citizens from the Alex Pretti Incident in Minnesota


I wrote You Don’t Get to Fight Anymore ( https://www.concealedcarry.com...et-to-fight-anymore/ ) last summer as a reminder to armed citizens that carrying a firearm changes the rules. Not legally. Morally. Practically. Permanently.

Today, that lesson feels heavier. These are just some of my thoughts.

The country is in the middle of another ugly news cycle. Protests. Federal agents. ICE. Crowds. The tension is so thick that we can feel it in the air. It's nearly unavoidable.

In the metro area of my home state of Minnesota, that tension has spilled into chaos. Words turned into shoves. Shoves turned into gunfire. And now we’re left sorting through footage, statements, outrage, and the narratives moving faster than truth ever does.

In the middle of it all was a man who was legally carrying a concealed firearm.

That matters. Rights matter. I do not minimize that. The right to carry is something I’ve spent years defending, explaining, and encouraging people to take seriously.

But rights do not suspend responsibility.

And carrying a gun does not grant immunity from bad decisions.


The Noise vs. The Reality

There has been a lot of noise around this incident. Political noise. Performative outrage. Sensational headlines about spare magazines, as if carrying reloads is somehow exotic or sinister. Anyone who actually carries knows better. A spare mag is normal. It’s boring. It’s EDC.

That part of the conversation is a distraction.

The harder conversation is this: you can be legally armed and still be catastrophically wrong in your decision making.

From the video evidence available, I do not see a clean, defensible shoot. That’s my opinion, and I’ll say it plainly without pretending it’s anything more. Reasonable people can disagree. Courts will do what courts do.

But step back from the legal parsing for a moment.

I see the failures happening before any trigger press.


Carrying Is Not Fighting

Protesting is not fighting.

Shouting is not fighting.

Even being angry is not fighting.

But the moment you choose to physically engage while armed, you have crossed a line that is very difficult to uncross.

You brought a gun into a conflict you chose to stay in.

That is the part that too many people want to skip over.

You can carry while you protest. You have that right. But protesting is an act of expression, not an invitation to physical confrontation. When you allow ego, adrenaline, or tribal loyalty to pull you into hands-on conflict, you are no longer just a protester. You are an armed participant in chaos.

And once you do that, the consequences are no longer hypothetical.


The Lesson Still Stands

When you carry a firearm, you do not get to fight anymore unless you truly believe the situation has reached the threshold of life or death.

Not “I’m mad.”

Not “he touched me.”

Not “they disrespected me.”

Life or death.

That threshold is high. It has to be.

In this case, the decisions leading up to the shooting mattered more than the shooting itself. The choice to remain engaged. The choice to escalate instead of disengage. The choice to bring a lethal tool into a space where emotions were already unstable.

None of that erases rights. But it absolutely shapes outcomes.


This Is the Part Nobody Likes

Here’s the uncomfortable truth that gets lost when politics takes over.

You can be legally correct and still ruin your life.

You can be morally convinced and still be wrong.

You can believe you were justified and still spend years paying for a moment you could have avoided.

Carrying a gun demands restraint that most people never practice. It demands humility in situations where pride is begging for the wheel. It requires you to walk away from things that feel unfair, insulting, or enraging.

That doesn’t make you weak.


A Message to Armed Citizens Right Now

If you carry a firearm in this climate, understand this clearly.

Crowds are not your arena.
Protests are not your proving ground.
Chaos is not your moment.

Your job is to avoid, not engage.
To leave, not linger.
To de-escalate, not posture.

If you feel yourself getting pulled into the emotional gravity of a situation, that is your signal to disengage immediately. Distance is your friend. Silence is your ally. Walking away is strength.

Because once you carry, every bad decision weighs more.

And once you cross from presence into participation, you own what comes next.


Final Thought

I don’t write this to condemn. I write it to warn.

The Second Amendment is not fragile. It does not need reckless defenders. It needs disciplined ones.

If you choose to carry a firearm, you are choosing to be held to a higher standard, whether the world acknowledges it or not.

You don’t get to fight anymore. (Until it's the ONLY option)

Not at protests.
Not in crowds.
Not in moments fueled by anger or ideology.

You carry so you can go home.

Everything else is noise.
 
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