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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
If you do not believe the very people Trump hand-picked to serve us then I have to question what side you are on.

Go ahead and question then, but I don't blindly believe anything any politician tells me, no matter what the subject is.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
Carrying a pistol and spare mags while walking your dog is one thing.

Carrying a pistol and spare mags while attending a riot is quite another.

What? Why would that limit my right to carry a firearm?

Ghost is a fucking troll. Check his brief posting history.

I was just about to say Ghost sounds like a troll.

Seriously, this is how you were trained in ranger school?

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Originally posted by bigwagon:

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
If you do not believe the very people Trump hand-picked to serve us then I have to question what side you are on.

Go ahead and question then, but I don't blindly believe anything any politician tells me, no matter what the subject is.

And Carpenter is a 100% blind sheep that will believe anything the administration feeds him. No questions asked. No verifications needed. He has to be Ghost’s best friend.

And this shows Para's years long wisdom, in waiting to post on shootings.

So much speculation and arm chair quarterbacking before the complete story is out.

All I know is that:

a Arizona's Dem AG said you are legally allowed to shoot ICE because "stand your ground"

That Anti-ICE is going after USBP K-9s in kennels

That DHS officer got his finger bitten off

How could anyone give this turd the benefit of the doubt when he came to a protest with a second high capacity magazine and tactical gear. These aren't the leftists of the first Trump administration who simply hurled insults and wrote angry messages on signs.

I will repeat, the man in the gray jacket can be seen carrying the P320 AXG Combat with Romeo 2 sight away from the pile of agents. As he is moving away, you hear the first shot, then the agents opened fire on the suspect.

From the opposite view, you can see an agent draw his pistol, and the first shot is hear a couple seconds later.

I think he saw the gun, and drew. The other guy got it and took it away, but I don't know if the others knew this.

It is possible that the guy in the gray jacket taking the gun away accidentally discharged it under stress, causing the others to think the suspect fired and then open fire on him.

The P320 will easily be checked to see if it was fired, there would be a spent shell casing on the ground, and the mad will have a round missing.

Or perhaps the agent who drew fired intentionally or unintentionally. If the suspect had a backup gun he was tring to reach for, that might explain it.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
How could anyone give this turd the benefit of the doubt when he came to a protest with a second high capacity magazine and tactical gear. These aren't the leftists of the first Trump administration who simply hurled insults and wrote angry messages on signs.

I don’t leave my house without a second “high capacity” magazine and there’s “tactical gear” and a scary rifle (and a few more “high capacity” magazines) in my truck. That guy had the exact same right to be armed as you do. Obviously fighting with LE and introducing a gun to the mix was a poor choice, but to say he had no right to be armed is foolish. You either believe in the 2nd Amendment or you don’t.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
I will repeat, the man in the gray jacket can be seen carrying the P320 AXG Combat with Romeo 2 sight away from the pile of agents. As he is moving away, you hear the first shot, then the agents opened fire on the suspect.

From the opposite view, you can see an agent draw his pistol, and the first shot is hear a couple seconds later.

I think he saw the gun, and drew. The other guy got it and took it away, but I don't know if the others knew this.

It is possible that the guy in the gray jacket taking the gun away accidentally discharged it under stress, causing the others to think the suspect fired and then open fire on him.

The P320 will easily be checked to see if it was fired, there would be a spent shell casing on the ground, and the mad will have a round missing.

Or perhaps the agent who drew fired intentionally or unintentionally. If the suspect had a backup gun he was tring to reach for, that might explain it.

I have since seen a blown up picture of the grey man with the gun in his hand is definitely the dead guys gun. So something along the lines of what you describe is as accurate as we can be right now.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
How could anyone give this turd the benefit of the doubt when he came to a protest with a second high capacity magazine and tactical gear. These aren't the leftists of the first Trump administration who simply hurled insults and wrote angry messages on signs.

"High capacity magazine"?! Dude...

Either everyone, otherwise not prohibited, has the inhalable right to keep and bear arms, or no one does.

The temerity to state plainly, as seen here, that the belief of another, because they are a liberal, or thinking they hate America, with nothing more than your "Minority Report" in hand, takes wooden balls to post that they be deprived of their rights without due process.

While I am not surprised at such thinking, I am dispirited by it.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Either everyone, otherwise not prohibited, has the inhalable right to keep and bear arms, or no one does.

The temerity to state plainly, as seen here, that the belief of another, because they are a liberal, or thinking they hate America, with nothing more than your "Minority Report" in hand, takes wooden balls to post that they be deprived of their rights without due process.

While I am not surprised at such thinking, I am dispirited by it.

Yea verily.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
Carrying a pistol and spare mags while walking your dog is one thing.

Carrying a pistol and spare mags while attending a riot is quite another.

You left out the part where the ICU nurse didn’t have any ID on his person (if initial reports were accurate).

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Either everyone, otherwise not prohibited, has the inhalable right to keep and bear arms, or no one does.

The temerity to state plainly, as seen here, that the belief of another, because they are a liberal, or thinking they hate America, with nothing more than your "Minority Report" in hand, takes wooden balls to post that they be deprived of their rights without due process.

While I am not surprised at such thinking, I am dispirited by it.

Well said.

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Originally posted by Ghost1RLTW:
Somehow you geniuses missed that.

You have not earned the privilege of speaking to the members of this forum in such a way. You will conduct yourself in a polite fashion or you will be considered a troll and promptly removed from this forum. All you need to do is treat others here as you expect to be treated, and everything will be fine.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Either everyone, otherwise not prohibited has the inhalable right to keep and bear arms, or no one does.

The bolded part is my issue, the leftist agitators should be prohibited from carrying firearms to attend an illegal event. What’s happening in MSP isn’t a peaceful protest rather an insurrection. I absolutely want enemies of my nation prohibited from carrying weapons while physically stopping federal agents from protecting me by deporting criminal aliens.

Frankly I can’t believe we’re allowing this state sponsored defiance of federal law. ICE has been placed in an impossible position by the cowardice of our political class (welcome to the GWOT) so if you show up armed and attempt to get physical prepare to be shot.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Either everyone, otherwise not prohibited, has the inhalable right to keep and bear arms, or no one does.

The temerity to state plainly, as seen here, that the belief of another, because they are a liberal, or thinking they hate America, with nothing more than your "Minority Report" in hand, takes wooden balls to post that they be deprived of their rights without due process.

While I am not surprised at such thinking, I am dispirited by it.

I would say that siding with the party that consistently tries to pass laws that violate not only the 2nd Amendment but violate multiple recent clear-as-day Supreme Court decisions as incremental steps to eventual civilian disarmament, tends to negate the rights you would enable your party to take away from others. That is, in a moral sense, not necessarily a legal sense. Anyone that actively rejects the Constitution and hates the United States is also morally not entitled to the benefits of the Constitution. But they are subject to it by law, nevertheless.

The problem with classical liberalism is that it's tolerance for dissent allows its destruction from within. We have tolerated communist/marxist/leftist indoctrination in our unions, schools, universities, media, government, corporations, banks, and other institutions for long enough that it is becoming a big problem, and younger generations plus immigrants may actually vote for marxism like they just did in NYC.

How do we ban/stop/silence the destructive ideologies that will destroy us? Arguing against them hasn't worked. Logic and reason haven't worked. The history of the 20th century and 100 million murdered by marxists hasn't worked.

In order to save our constitution, country, and way of life, we will have to be ILLIBERAL and clean house somehow. I don't have the answer as to when or how, but I think I will see it in my lifetime.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
What exactly are we debating here? DHS already said the guy attempted to pull a firearm and kill the officers so there's nothing left to discuss. If you do not believe the very people Trump hand-picked to serve us then I have to question what side you are on.

If you want blind obedience to a single person go join a cult. And if you say things like "I have to question what side you are on" then you are definitely not the kind of person whose side I ever want to be on.

Anyone who has the intention to commit a massacre against LE wearing body armor isn't going to walk around with a single pistol and a couple of magazines. That's what rifles are for.

DHS is just spewing pure BS at this point and I don't believe a word any of them say. The most alarming thing I've heard from my father lately is "Well, the news said..." I don't give a shit what someone says unless that person repeatedly demonstrates a capacity for self-reflection and can admit they might be wrong and even then I still verify. No mainstream news outlet deserves that kind of trust these days.

I remember the night of the Rittenhouse shooting when multiple video angles were almost immediately available and then being absolutely stunned over the next couple of years reading Reddit threads where people either chose not to watch those videos, watched them and chose not to believe their eyes, or parroted what they heard on biased news without doing even a tiny bit of research.

Don't let anyone tell you what to think.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Either everyone, otherwise not prohibited has the inhalable right to keep and bear arms, or no one does.

The bolded part is my issue, the leftist agitators should be prohibited from carrying firearms to attend an illegal event. What’s happening in MSP isn’t a peaceful protest rather an insurrection. I absolutely want enemies of my nation prohibited from carrying weapons while physically stopping federal agents from protecting me by deporting criminal aliens.

Frankly I can’t believe we’re allowing this state sponsored defiance of federal law. ICE has been placed in an impossible position by the cowardice of our political class (welcome to the GWOT) so if you show up armed and attempt to get physical prepare to be shot.

Trump should invoke the insurrection act and deploy military to protect the ICE and Border patrol agents from "protestors". They can protest all they want on the other side of a human gauntlet of soldiers.

I would also recommend a federal law mandating a 20 foot distance (or other reasonable distance) between protesters and agents carrying out their duty, including vehicles. If I was an officer or agent and some asshole is sticking a phone in my face within arms reach, that phone is going to be knocked to the ground and destroyed. No LEO should have to put up with this.