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I suspect this is one of the desired outcomes of the TDS leftists running some of these cities. They want the terrible optics of federal agents opening fire on attackers. Rather than the local police controlling the crowds before things get too out of control, using more restrained methods such as tear gas, they are willing to let the violent agitators whip themselves into a frenzy and then become martyrs in the leftist cause.

It is either that or they want federal agents to be killed or grievously harmed by the antifa attackers.

A little from Column A, a little from Column B.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
^^^^^^ Oh, I agree, chellim, things have changed significantly with DJT. I should have been more specific. I'm really referring to the unending disruptions in Portland and Chicago.

Plus, I really want to see someone stick it to the leadership in those towns and states, not just the protesters themselves.

I have high hopes, but I'm inpatient.

It would be great to see them put to a swift trial and off to prison but professional courtesy amount politicians ain’t going to let that happen. They may face a few charges, be dismissed and sent off to a cushy no-show “job” as payoff from the democrat machine. Every politician is waiting his chance. They probably still also get that lifetime retirement paycheck.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:

Perhaps a trip to the eye doc is in order…

That would probably make you an outpatient.

Inpatient => impatient => outpatient.

So what you're saying is that if you and a friend were being treated in the hospital but in a hurry to get discharged and continue your treatment elsewhere, you'd be compatient inpatient patients impatient to be outpatient?

As long as my opponents take a solid beating, I’m cool with that.

Chicago police ordered to ignore border patrol agents’ plea for help while surrounded by angry mob of protesters

https://nypost.com/2025/10/05/...m_source=chatgpt.com

Chicago police officers en route to help federal agents who were being surrounded and menaced by an angry mob of ICE protesters were seemingly ordered by their chief of patrol to stand down and not provide assistance, stunning dispatch audio and internal message reveal.

The group of agents was conducting a routine patrol in the city’s South Side on Saturday, “when they were attacked and rammed by vehicles and boxed in by 10 cars,” the Department of Homeland Security said.

The agents were on patrol about 15 miles from the anti-ICE protests that had been simmering for several days outside the ICE processing center in the Chicago suburb of Broadview when the attack began.

Once they attempted to flee their trapped vehicle, a woman — later found to be toting a semi-automatic weapon — attempted to run the officers down, but was shot by police.

Local cops were initially readied to help the agents, but were ordered to stand down by the chief of patrol, according to shocking dispatch audio transmissions.

A male voice then comes on the radio channel, telling the dispatcher to direct officers to head to the scene and “stay put” a few blocks away and await further instruction, which she relays.

A few seconds later, the male voice is heard again, saying tersely: “Per the chief of patrol: clear everybody out, we’re not responding over there.”

The female dispatcher then tells officers on the way to the distress call, “per the chief of patrol, all units clear out from there, we’re not sending anybody out to that location.”

An internal department memo sent to Chicago cops and obtained by Fox News confirms the shocking reversal.

“PLEASE CHIEF OF PATROL NO UNITS WILL RESPOND TO THIS AS RELATED FROM 04-Oc5-2025/12:34:44…CALLER IS 1 OF APPROX 30 ARMED PATROL AGENTS (ICE) WHO ARE BEING SURROUNDED BY A LARGE CROWD OF PEOPLE REQUESTING CPD,” the dispatch message read.

More at link

"Where the hell is the Chicago police union in all this? Do they approve of their members being thrown under the bus by the politicians who are giving the orders?"

Their FOP Lodge is in a major or minor shitstorm right now. Go over to Second City Cop Blog for further.

As far as "Defensive Fire", I will guess that is when a person presents and points a firearm in your general direction. This is similar to when the asshole with the AK style rifle got shot in Texas during the Saint George Floyd riots.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
<snip> Using live ammo instead of tear gas and "less than lethal" would be a game changer.

May I suggest something belt fed?

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1975084702374773017

The spitter appears to survive the confrontation. I'm getting tired of this!

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
The spitter appears to survive the confrontation. I'm getting tired of this!

No, this is good. Dude acts like a fool, is immediately subdued without any whacky overreaction. Any normal people watching will see that and come to the conclusion that it's not the hyper-gestapo or whatever. It makes it a little bit harder for that side to claim the other side is full of murderous monsters.

I think Sun Tzu said something like appearing weak emboldens your enemy. Maybe it was Dale Carnegie, I don't remember.

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
I think Sun Tzu said something like appearing weak emboldens your enemy. Maybe it was Dale Carnegie, I don't remember.

You don't have to stomp a mudhole in everyone to appear strong. Dude steps out of line by spitting, they take him down quickly and cleanly. One side is clearly projecting power and control, the other is on their back getting zip tied.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

Their FOP Lodge is in a major or minor shitstorm right now. Go over to Second City Cop Blog for further.

"Also concerning, the last bit of timeline - Homeland Security notified CPD that gas would be deployed....but there is a ton of video out there showing CPD (009 tact in particular) suffering the effects of the tear gas because they were ordered not to bring gas masks (or riot helmets) along.

Shades of the Columbus Statue - politicians and brass-holes more fearful about the optics of being prepared for a riot than actually protecting Officers from the riot. This ought to be an FOP Safety Violation Grievance at the very least, but God only knows what's going on over on Washington Blvd this week"

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Originally posted by airsoft guy:

You don't have to stomp a mudhole in everyone to appear strong...

Well, at least do a few. It'll set an example, and I'll feel a whole lot better!

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
[Well, at least do a few. It'll set an example, and I'll feel a whole lot better!

Yeah, sigh …
What happened was clearly the correct response. While it might be (momentarily) satisfying to see one of these folks being show the error of their ways in a manner that allows them a few months to consider their error from the tranquility of a hospital bed, I don’t believe we’d be happy with the long term result.

So did ICE really kill someone? I would have thought the MSM would be all over that story.

https://x.com/devorydarkins/st.../1974842567629123731

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
So did ICE really kill someone?

No, they shot someone. She survived, and drove herself to the hospital for treatment.

Looks like former Green Beret Matt Tardio is going to "test" the PPB to see if they'll apply the law evenly to both sides. The PPB has been allowing antifa to "occupy" sidewalks adjacent to the ICE facility, and he's going to see if they let him do the same. If you live near Portland, might be an interesting "exercise"...

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Coordinating Instructions
RP - Rally Point
Date/Time: Today - 10.06.2025 - 1200 hours
Location: 4310 S. Macadam Ave
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Parking - Off-Site and Walk In (ARRIVE EARLY)
Dress - Patriotic (RED/WHITE/BLUE, Vets - old fatigues, Jeans and Boots, IDC)
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What to bring:
Water, Food, Sunglasses, Jacket/Hoodie, Umbrellas - A LOT. Trash Bag.
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INSTRUCTIONS
When you first arrive, please begin filling up RP-1, then RP-2, then RP-3. Feel free to cheer, sing patriotic music, play it over a loud speaker, IDC. Have fun, be proud, let ICE know you support them. Do not block the road-ways, traffic will be operating.

TIMELINE:
1130-1200 - Gather and FILL THE RP's!
1200 - Myself and @nicksortor
will arrive to attempt to parlay with ANTIFA, I will ask for you to be silent at that time, please be respectful.
1230 - End Parlay
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If ANTIFA refuses to cooperate, all patriots will legally cross the street from RP 2 to RP 1 via the cross walk, RP-1/RP-2 will make their way over towards RP-3 via the cross walk.
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These are public sidewalks. You have a right to walk on them, and walk on them we will. You have a right to self defense should you be in imminent danger for your physical safety.
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On command, we will then begin our PATRIOT MARCH
along the sidewalk from S. Bancroft and through the ANTIFA camp on a public sidewalk they illegally annexed and think they own.
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Assigned Patriots will establish basecamp and security upon my instruction. We will continue to legally and freely travel upon the sidewalks free from ANTIFA interruption as is our right.
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We are simply peacefully protesting with the right to self-defense should you feel it is required.
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While we are out for our stroll, I ask that some patriots clean the trash off of the street for those who have been terrorized in the apartments across the street.
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Remember, THIS IS AMERICA.
END MESSAGE
@ImFiredUp2

https://x.com/angertab/status/...qH-AK8jcfT1Ul3HLgHaw

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
So did ICE really kill someone?

No, they shot someone. She survived, and drove herself to the hospital for treatment.

He's referring to this incident where the guy fled from the officers and dragged one with his car before being shot in self defense.

Pritzker is leaving out just a few details.