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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Interesting article on Zero Hedge today about Apple's woes right now. Let me be clear, I like Apple and own their phones and computers but I have been saying this for a couple years now: 1. Steve Jobs WAS Apple. This current Apple is not the Apple of Steve Jobs. They seem to have plateaued on innovation without him 2. Their phones COST TOO MUCH and their decision to double down and make them even more expensive seems to be a giant misstep Everyone who wants a smartphone has a smartphone and the time between replacements is starting to stretch out as they get more expensive.
Kass: Lessons Learned From Apple's Collapse | ||
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Staring back from the abyss |
This is the root of their problem. $1000 for a phone is ridiculous. I have no problem paying more for their premium product, but I'll not pay $1000 for a phone that is the size of an iPad. I love the iPhone, but this is not something that I want...which is why I'll be keeping my SE for the foreseeable future. They need to get their shit together. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Baroque Bloke |
I had a ton of AAPL, which I’d held for several years, but sold all of it several months ago. It was increasingly apparent to me that Tim Cook wasn’t even close to Steve Jobs’ caliber. The root of Apple’s problem isn’t the $1K phone price – it’s Tim Cook. Serious about crackers | |||
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PopeDaddy |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PASig: Everyone who wants a smartphone has a smartphone and the time between replacements is starting to stretch out as they get more expensive. [QUOTE] If you are only considering the 325 million people in the US then you are correct. If you are considering the 1.35 billion people in India then you are incorrect. 0:01 | |||
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Chip away the stone |
Yeah, they learned that decades ago. They were able to bring him back once, but I don't think it will work again. | |||
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The guy behind the guy |
Full disclosure, I am an Apple product user. The title of your thread is BS imo. "Lessons Learned From Apple's Collapse?" Really, they've collapsed? Wishful thinking perhaps? They are the first company in history to reach I trillion in market cap and it occurred recently. I find it hard to believe that they've suddenly collapsed. The article you link shows they wrote down projections a couple percent. Having record pacing growth and then writing down year end projections a few points is hardly a collapse. The iPhone accounts for $60+ Billion of an $80+ Billion top line. 11 years ago Apple wasn't even in the phone game. Apple is just now starting to get into movie and TV content creation. I heard on the radio today that Netflix did $13 billion in 2018 up from $8 billion in 2017. Clearly the streaming/content market is growing rapidly and still in its relative infancy. You don't think Apple will become a major player in this market once they enter it? iPhones are indeed a saturated market in the US, but one product line reaching maturity hardly constitutes a collapse considering plenty of countries still don't have iPhones and ever emerging revenue streams. | |||
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Thanks for a good laugh sir! | |||
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The guy behind the guy |
Just checked, Apple's EPS is an all time high. | |||
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Wait, what? |
I’m not sure Apple is collapsing, but completely agree that their phones are retarded-expensive and that the company image has suffered significantly with the death of Steve Jobs. Jobs seemed to actually care about the people using Apple products beyond a spreadsheet showing profits. As far as the technology is concerned, they haven’t done anything so earthshaking with new products that I’m anywhere near ready to rush out and dump my 64gb 6S. In fact, I just replaced a 64gb standard 6 with slight water damage, and a replacement screen that removed my ability to use the fingerprint reader. I sold it for $150 with full disclosure of the issue which tells me the 6’s have a ways to go before they are considered ready for the recycling center. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
I do not like that Apple chooses to not allow their iPads, iPhones, etc., to be able to expand their memory with sd cards. That is one of the major reasons I have not bought an iPhone. I am open to an iPhone, but not the way they currently do things. I am certain others feel that way. I can live without an iPhone the same way I live without facebook and twitter. | |||
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Shit don't mean shit |
How many people in India can afford a $1,000 phone? There's a reason a lot of IT work gets outsourced there, they work for peanuts. The exchange rate is about 70 Indian Rupee per 1 US Dollar. The average salary for a software developer in India is 430,000 Rupee and can go to 1 million. At an exchange rate of 70, the range is $6,142 - $14,285 per year. India's per capita income (nominal) was $1670 per year in 2016. How many of those folks are going to buy a $1,000 iPhone? | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
"Collapse"? Sorry, I don't think so. They may have saturated their markets, but "collapse"? No. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Made from a different mold |
Yep, not a lot of disposable income around most places in Asia. Most of those countries don't subsidize poor financial decisions, so a choice between keeping up with the Joneses and eating/having a place to live isn't exactly hard. IMHO, the problem with Apple is over-saturation and locking out innovation. Transferring files between a PC/iDevice shouldn't be so damned hard, but leave it to Apple to pull some stupid shit and keep people from using an otherwise awesome device. Maybe they should look into playing nice with other platforms.... ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
I'm not replacing my iPhone X until 5G comes to my neighborhood (already in some parts of Houston). I've been all Apple (3 personal iPhones, 2 business iPhones, iMac, MacBook Pro, and an iPad) since mid-2012, but as far as I'm concerned 5G looks to be such a game changer that I'll be buying both a laptop and smart phone so I'll be open to a new ecosystem. Apple better not come out with 5G a year after Samsung like they seem to do with everything else. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
Actually, it is both. Tim Cook is great at the distribution and manufacturing end of the company, but cannot replicate Jobs and his innovation and vision, and strategy of Apple Inc. It is no secret designer Jonny Ives had stuff in the pipeline when Jobs passed, but now Apple has hit a roadblock in product innovation. When Jobs was King, they would put out a crazy, innovative piece, and when other companies start to catch up to it, he dumps it and comes out with something completely different. That has not been the case for years with Apple. iPads are at a standstill, and their computers are expensive jokes right now, the Macbook Pro is a tired beast. The $1000 phone is a problem- the U.S. and some of the Asian markets are already saturated with cell phones, but in the emerging markets, including India, Africa, etc. the high end premium phones are not going to cut it. Apple needs to come up with a $200 phone not just for the U.S., but for areas not yet cell phone savvy, a large percentage of the world. The iPhone is over 60% of Apple's revenue. Either innovate and expand elsewhere or come out with a cheaper alternative to the present iPhone. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Maybe "collapse" is a bit of hype by the author but he did make the point that they've lost 30% of their value in a very short time. | |||
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Made from a different mold |
Which is another issue that needs to be addressed. There are many places in our country that don't offer reliable 4G or LTE service. Smartphones are useless to those of us outside of supported service areas. Another pool of customers that big tech decides isn't worth going after ! ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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The main reason Apple’s stock dropped is because of a slowing economy in China and slower sales in emerging markets. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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thin skin can't win |
I'll double down, thanks. You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Partial dichotomy |
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