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Originally posted by VBVAGUY:
What I like about Apple eco system is that the operating system supports the hardware much longer. I have an older iPad Mini 2 that came out in 2014 and is STILL being support by iOS....5 Years old !!! As good as Android is, most phones and tablets that are 2 years or older are no longer supported by the Android operating system. God Bless

Not to mention every phone manufacturer has their own “flavor” of Android. Along with different OS versions, you have to deal with the multiple “customizations” of each where every maker adds their own layer of crap on top.

As someone who admittly DESPISES all things Apple, and would trade a kidney to punch Steve Jobs in the face...

It's hardly a "collapse."

It might be a shitty investment scheme, but it isn't the end of the world.

ALL phones are overpriced. They all are operating at higher tech than we have infrastructure for, and they are all limited by the bullshit carriers and companies we use.

If you want torches and pitchforks, go after the cell providers, cable providers, and government reps who allowed "net neutrality" to be law of the land for so long.

The only thing Apple is guilt of is marketing to morons, and letting them believe their bullshit. But what company HASN'T done that?

Higher and higher prices for their shit finally bit them. It was inevitable.

The latent value in the software and services they are not yet producing and selling is staggering. It beggars the mind that they've not yet begun. I suppose it is the balance of the hardware manufacturer and their "symbiotic partners" who make software. That ecosystem has a lot of money left in it to wring out. The iPhone is pretty great, but it lacks a lot in potential functionality.

Parental control and distribution in an "enterprise" manner for the home would be amazing, and I'd gladly pay $20 a month if it were spectacular. Wifi networking that they used to sell is now ceded to others. This market and home security has been completely abandoned. Those two items could easily tap huge value out of the ecosystem, bring excellent integrated functionality to their customers, make families safer, improve cyber security and reduce IoT threats, and YET, they are myopically frittering at what color to make the next same-same widget phone.

Then some depth:

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Apple's stark warning may be ominous news for China

"But what happens when the Chinese growth juggernaut slows? Or worse yet, grinds to a halt?"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/busine...inous-news-for-china

Stumbled maybe. Collapse, far from it. Now the situation in China maybe closer to reality.
China’s central bank has freed up nearly $175 billion to get commercial banks to boost their lending and pay off short-term borrowings, the latest effort by Beijing to lift growth in a slowing economy as its trade fight with the U.S. escalates.

The Chinese central bank said the cut will free up 1.2 trillion yuan ($174.72 billion) in total. Of that, 450 billion yuan ($65.52 billion) will be for banks to repay short-term debt coming due this month and 750 billion yuan will be released into the financial market. Big Chinese banks will face a reserve-requirement ratio of 14.5%, down from 15.5% currently.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
Higher and higher prices for their shit finally bit them. It was inevitable.

i am going with this

every market has an unsustainable 'saturation point' where there just aren't enough new users to sustain the growth curve

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Doomed? Apples quarterly revenue dropped 8% to $84 billion dollars. Yeah you are right they should start a going out of business sale

Their non-iPhone products are up 19%. AirPods and watches are a hit. Apple is selling less phones but the increased price still means their revenue is higher then years when they sold more phones. They will be just fine.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:

The only thing Apple is guilt of is marketing to morons, and letting them believe their bullshit.

I'm no moron and their products' system level color control is STILL light years ahead of microsoft or even the not ready for prime time linux. Android is still not ready for prime time.

You completely lost me at "collapse"...

More bad news for Apple.

“Apple is likely to pull some iPhone models from its German stores after Qualcomm said on Thursday it had posted security bonds to enforce a court order banning the sale of those iPhone models in the country.

The chipmaker posted the bonds of 1.34 billion euros ($1.52 billion) as part of a legal requirement by a German court, which found on Dec. 20 that Apple had infringed Qualcomm patents on power-saving technology used in smartphones.

The iPhone maker had earlier said it would pull iPhone 7 and 8 models from its 15 stores in Germany when the order came into force…”

https://mol.im/a/6554979

The shit they pull to irritate their customers is a factor as well.

Slowing down older iphone units to force upgrading, lack of a slot for extending memmory, tying device to an Apple/itunes account.

Not a fan of Jobs, if he was brilliant, he would have cultivated a successor.

That being said, there is a lot that is great about their products.
Price is an issue and the chilling of trade and access to up and coming markets is a temporary impediment.

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Originally posted by HRK:

Rumor has it that Face recognition is probably a large contributing factor to people not buying model X units, if they are buying apple it's the 8 not the X. Probably because most folks don't like the way they look in pictures, and don't like the fact that they will be seeing themselves when opening their phone.

There are also security issues with face recognition, yes expect the iLovers to be along soon to say "ney ney" it's all safe, it's all good, but they'd say that even if apple made them stick an iPhone under a cats ass to open it.

That's not the way the face recognition works, at all- you don't ever "see" your face. When unlocking the phone, it's seamless. When an app is using it, all you see is an icon indicating it's processing.

I can't access that article at the moment, but I have not heard of security issues. IMO the face recognition is FAR superior to the fingerprint readers. I'm not an "ilover" by any means but I would never go back to the fingerprint readers if I could avoid it.

Collapse in terms of stock price would be a correct assumption. Down 37% in 90 days pretty much nails it. Collapse in business terms, no, not quite.

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Originally posted by 280nosler:
Down 37% in 90 days pretty much nails it.

6% of that gained back today.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
As someone who admittly DESPISES all things Apple, and would trade a kidney to punch Steve Jobs in the face...

It's hardly a "collapse."

It might be a shitty investment scheme, but it isn't the end of the world.

ALL phones are overpriced. They all are operating at higher tech than we have infrastructure for, and they are all limited by the bullshit carriers and companies we use.

If you want torches and pitchforks, go after the cell providers, cable providers, and government reps who allowed "net neutrality" to be law of the land for so long.

The only thing Apple is guilt of is marketing to morons, and letting them believe their bullshit. But what company HASN'T done that?

Dude...are you high or maybe you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed? You sound like an angry drunk. I’ve got no problem with being drunk mind you. I might even join you. But you don’t wear the angry well. Oh, by the way, I’m not a moron. K Thanks.

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Originally posted by HRK:
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Rumor has it that Face recognition is probably a large contributing factor to people not buying model X units, if they are buying apple it's the 8 not the X. Probably because most folks don't like the way they look in pictures, and don't like the fact that they will be seeing themselves when opening their phone.<snip>

Two features of the iPhone X primarily led to my purchase of it:

1. The OLED screen technology
2. The large screen to form factor ratio

I wasn’t sure if I’d like the facial recognition feature, but it’s proved to be wonderful. Its reliability matches its convenience. With or without glasses and hats, and in total darkness. And it’s not just for opening the phone; it makes Apple Pay even more convenient. And it gets me into my banking and MyChart apps effortlessly.

As previously noted, you are wrong to say that you see your image as a result of facial recognition. Your information sources aren’t reliable.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
More bad news for Apple.

“Apple is likely to pull some iPhone models from its German stores after Qualcomm said on Thursday it had posted security bonds to enforce a court order banning the sale of those iPhone models in the country.

The chipmaker posted the bonds of 1.34 billion euros ($1.52 billion) as part of a legal requirement by a German court, which found on Dec. 20 that Apple had infringed Qualcomm patents on power-saving technology used in smartphones.

The iPhone maker had earlier said it would pull iPhone 7 and 8 models from its 15 stores in Germany when the order came into force…”

https://mol.im/a/6554979

Apple is finding out that going after Qualcomm is significantly more difficult than Samsung. Qualcomm's patent portfolio is simply formidable.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by braillediver:
I found this interesting:

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Apple is partially blaming weak iPhone sales on customers taking advantage of the $30 battery-replacement offer

Buried deep in the letter is Cook's admission that some of the devoted Apple fans who used to buy new devices every year are now "taking advantage of significantly reduced pricing for iPhone battery replacements."

Following a massive scandal over its practice of deliberately slowing down older iPhones, Apple reduced the price for its battery replacements, charging $29 instead of $79 in 2018. The program was wrapped up by the end of the year.

One user argued that Cook's mentioning of the battery drama serves as proof that it was Apple's strategy from the beginning to fire up sales by damaging the performance and battery life of older models.

https://www.businessinsider.co...acement-offer-2019-1

Apps like CPUDasherX have proven that Apple was right to throttle older phones with weak batteries.

Perhaps, but throttling the phones wasn't the main issue. Lying about it and trying to avoid dealing with it was.

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Originally posted by VBVAGUY:
What I like about Apple eco system is that the operating system supports the hardware much longer. I have an older iPad Mini 2 that came out in 2014 and is STILL being support by iOS....5 Years old !!! As good as Android is, most phones and tablets that are 2 years or older are no longer supported by the Android operating system. God Bless

No, the tablets and phones aren't supported by the manufacturers of the tablets or phones over the long haul that have so bastardized their version of Android (think Samsung) that constantly porting new versions of Android to older devices becomes unproductive. Android devices running virgin (or close) Android survive over time very well. The Oneplus 3 phone I carry daily (now five generations old) is still a wonderfully capable phone because the manufacturer continues to provide Android operating system updates.