Interesting talk about guns last night.

July 19, 2020, 01:25 PM

john crusher

The 2nd Amendment does not discriminate , period. I think every American should own a firearm. I question you to explain what standards you want to apply to training, the Founders never did. If you have standards different than what is written in the Constitution , then you are as guilty as any Liberal wanting restrictions. Just my 2 cents.

July 19, 2020, 02:32 PM

sjtill

I read all the comments, and all I saw were cautions that training is strongly advised; I saw no call for restrictions as you imply.
If I’m wrong, then I apologize in advance.

July 19, 2020, 02:41 PM

IntrepidTraveler

quote:
Originally posted by flashguy:
I have long been of the opinion that safe gun handling and safety rules should be taught in the schools....
flashguy

The ship of teaching essential life skills in schools has long since sailed. Not to derail the thread, but a short list of these skills should include:

* Basic gun handling (as you mentioned)
* Driver's Ed
* Basic financial skills

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July 19, 2020, 02:45 PM

sigalert

The one thing California has done that I can get behind is a 50 question test, and a safe handing test loading and unloading the gun you just purchased.

I know some folks think it’s an infringement, but honestly, if you can’t pass these simple tests, you are a danger to yourself and others.

July 19, 2020, 02:53 PM

jljones

So, in order to go to say what you want against the government, you should have to take a test? What about having the government search your home without a warrant? 50 question test? How long should the test be before you can have the right against self incrimination? A speedy trial? No test, no Rights?

Some of you guys clearly need to be required to take a 50 question test on what Constitutional Rights are, and where they come from.

You should not have to have any kind of government permission slip to exercise your Rights. Ever. Freedom is supposed to be scary.

July 19, 2020, 03:04 PM

sigalert

Didnt take long for the false equivalencies to show up. But okay. The dirty truth is, none of us have a true constitutional right to own a gun. We all have to jump through some kind of hoop.

So maybe ease up on the pearl clutching.

July 19, 2020, 03:05 PM

jrhillma

quote:
Originally posted by john crusher:
The 2nd Amendment does not discriminate , period. I think every American should own a firearm. I question you to explain what standards you want to apply to training, the Founders never did. If you have standards different than what is written in the Constitution , then you are as guilty as any Liberal wanting restrictions. Just my 2 cents.

A couple weeks back, I was out for drinks with an old friend. I've known this guy for decades, and we have a *lot* in common. Or so I thought. We got on the topic of the current state of society and I mentioned building a couple ARs, adding to the inventory of handguns, scooping up cases of ammo where/when I could (without getting raped on PPR).

Turns out he's not anti-2A, but has a different view of it. To him, the whole 2A hinges on "well-regulated militia." That means, in his mind, "If you want to own a gun, join the National Guard, get trained, have access to whatever the government has in the armory...as long as you are trained and certified on it and they let you check it out."

I changed the subject, paid the tab and left shortly after.

July 19, 2020, 03:31 PM

sigalert

In addition, I would think knowing how to operate a firearm would fall under the "well regulated" clause of the second amendment.

A militia of men that have no idea how to use a gun isn't very effective.

Edit to add: And to avoid any confusion, the definition of "regulated" i'm applying is...

: to bring order, method, or uniformity to regulate one's habits

July 19, 2020, 03:46 PM

flashguy

quote:
Originally posted by sigalert:
In addition, I would think knowing how to operate a firearm would fall under the "well regulated" clause of the second amendment.

A militia of men that have no idea how to use a gun isn't very effective.

Edit to add: And to avoid any confusion, the definition of "regulated" i'm applying is...

: to bring order, method, or uniformity to regulate one's habits

Which is what it meant when the Amendment was written and adopted.

flashguy

July 19, 2020, 04:00 PM

12131

quote:
Originally posted by sigalert:
Didnt take long for the false equivalencies to show up. But okay. The dirty truth is, none of us have a true constitutional right to own a gun. We all have to jump through some kind of hoop.

So maybe ease up on the pearl clutching.

Just an example: FTF firearm transaction in many of the free states. No hoop. But, I suppose some folks would happily force all of us to jump through the FFL hoop (aka the UBC).

July 19, 2020, 04:15 PM

jljones

quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
quote:
Originally posted by sigalert:
Didnt take long for the false equivalencies to show up. But okay. The dirty truth is, none of us have a true constitutional right to own a gun. We all have to jump through some kind of hoop.

So maybe ease up on the pearl clutching.

Just an example: FTF firearm transaction in many of the free states. No hoop. But, I suppose some folks would happily force all of us to jump through the FFL hoop (aka the UBC).

It’s “common sense”? Right? If it saves one life?

I think you’re dealing with people that have given up liberty, wanting security. There’s no logic when people cat understand that the government doesn’t give them Rights. They want the government to control people’s lives and regulate them highly. The government is the answer always, and not the individual.

You can’t reason with people who think this way.

July 19, 2020, 04:22 PM

ZSMICHAEL

I got plenty of training when I bought my first firearm. I get additional training when I can. I enjoy the training and learn from my mistakes and the mistakes of others.

From time to time I run into people on the range who have had limited training. I leave if possible. I personally do not care if others have had training unless it affects me personally.

July 19, 2020, 04:28 PM

jljones

The thing is I honestly can't tell you the amount of money, and time I have put into training. I've lost track. But, it should never be up to the government, nor its statists or sycophants that support them to require how much training I or anyone else should have to have to have a gun.

People that think that you should have to pass a test to exercise a Right are the same ones that move out of shithole states to a free state, and then try to make that state exactly like where they left. They can't mind their own business once they get where they go, and want they want the government controlling people's lives.

Go out and train. Be highly trained.

July 19, 2020, 04:34 PM

sigalert

The “if it saves one life argument” is another false equivalency in this case. Find me one person that has been denied a firearm for not being to pass a safe handling test.

Lot of holier than thou going on here. None of you have ever filled out a 4473?

At least I’ve made the argument that the founders intended a well trained militia. Which is more than I can say for any other federal law since 1968.

Not many here can pass the purity test you’re holding me to.

July 19, 2020, 04:42 PM

CD228

quote:
Originally posted by jrhillma:
quote:
Originally posted by john crusher:
The 2nd Amendment does not discriminate , period. I think every American should own a firearm. I question you to explain what standards you want to apply to training, the Founders never did. If you have standards different than what is written in the Constitution , then you are as guilty as any Liberal wanting restrictions. Just my 2 cents.

A couple weeks back, I was out for drinks with an old friend. I've known this guy for decades, and we have a *lot* in common. Or so I thought. We got on the topic of the current state of society and I mentioned building a couple ARs, adding to the inventory of handguns, scooping up cases of ammo where/when I could (without getting raped on PPR).

Turns out he's not anti-2A, but has a different view of it. To him, the whole 2A hinges on "well-regulated militia." That means, in his mind, "If you want to own a gun, join the National Guard, get trained, have access to whatever the government has in the armory...as long as you are trained and certified on it and they let you check it out."

I changed the subject, paid the tab and left shortly after.

Then he needs to read his state's constitution. NY for example defines the militia as every able body man or words to that effect.

July 19, 2020, 04:44 PM

r0gue

I was at the sheriff to get my permit renewed. In June they had an all time "blowing the doors off the next closest" record for concealed permits. Near Pittsburgh PA.

July 19, 2020, 05:01 PM

kramden

I would think any of these physco-ward cities like Minneapolis that say they are going to get rid of their police depts would see gun sales that would be unbelieveable.

July 19, 2020, 07:18 PM

john crusher

quote:
Originally posted by sigalert:
In addition, I would think knowing how to operate a firearm would fall under the "well regulated" clause of the second amendment.

A militia of men that have no idea how to use a gun isn't very effective.

Edit to add: And to avoid any confusion, the definition of "regulated" i'm applying is...

: to bring order, method, or uniformity to regulate one's habits

Uniformity to regulate one's habits ? Sort of has a ring of Socialism to it , huh ?
You forgot the most important part. The Right of the People to keep and Bear arms, Shall not be infringed.

July 19, 2020, 07:55 PM

Pickle Rick

My Mother in-law at 77 is applying for a pistol permit. Said she wanted semi-auto. I asked her she not to commit to a platform, caliber or brand. I will visit with her and let her fondle revos, semi autos and shotguns. They have a range nearby so we will see what she can manipulate and find a platform that suits her. Pickle Rick.

July 19, 2020, 08:21 PM

c1steve

quote:
Originally posted by kramden:
I would think any of these physco-ward cities like Minneapolis that say they are going to get rid of their police depts would see gun sales that would be unbelieveable.

Yep, sales would skyrocket like never before. Just what the Democrats do not want, and did not expect, with their defund the police BS.

IMO, all across the nation a new respect and appreciation for the Second Amendment will be blossoming. Many of those will be Democrats, but many of those Dems will jump ship over time.