October 08, 2023, 08:55 PM
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quote:Originally posted by vthoky:
Rightwire and WingedMedic: thank you.
I thought we (the U.S.) were cool with Egypt... I guess that's not really the case?
I didn't know Egypt was among the "destroy Israel" group.
A part of my interest in this is very local -- I've got neighbors whom I'm pretty sure are Egyptian. Nice people, in general, always with a smile and a "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Easter" greeting during those holidays...
Regarding PASig's Blinken post: even in my ignorance, I'm smart enough to know that "making sure that Israelis and Palestinians resolve their differences" is a pipe dream.
quote:Originally posted by vthoky:
Rightwire and WingedMedic: thank you.
I thought we (the U.S.) were cool with Egypt... I guess that's not really the case?
I didn't know Egypt was among the "destroy Israel" group.
A part of my interest in this is very local -- I've got neighbors whom I'm pretty sure are Egyptian. Nice people, in general, always with a smile and a "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Easter" greeting during those holidays...
Regarding PASig's Blinken post: even in my ignorance, I'm smart enough to know that "making sure that Israelis and Palestinians resolve their differences" is a pipe dream.
It's difficult to articulate, but it seems almost that it's necessary for Israel to be there, surrounded by all the people who want to make them disappear.quote:Originally posted by Rightwire:
The creation, establishment, and existence of Israel is actually a fascinating story if you're willing to do the research.
quote:Originally posted by vthoky:
Rightwire and WingedMedic: thank you.
I thought we (the U.S.) were cool with Egypt... I guess that's not really the case?
I didn't know Egypt was among the "destroy Israel" group.
A part of my interest in this is very local -- I've got neighbors whom I'm pretty sure are Egyptian. Nice people, in general, always with a smile and a "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Easter" greeting during those holidays...
Regarding PASig's Blinken post: even in my ignorance, I'm smart enough to know that "making sure that Israelis and Palestinians resolve their differences" is a pipe dream.
quote:It's difficult to articulate, but it seems almost that it's necessary for Israel to be there, surrounded by all the people who want to make them disappear.
quote:Originally posted by konata88:quote:Originally posted by oddball:
Well, some of them are out today.
Time Square (notice the Swastika)
D.C.
Chicago:
Stupid should hurt. I'm waiting to see how much....
quote:Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:quote:It's difficult to articulate, but it seems almost that it's necessary for Israel to be there, surrounded by all the people who want to make them disappear.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
You are correct. Israel was established in 1948. I think many Americans do not know the history. They should at least read the book, Exodus. As you said it is complicated. The seeds of this conflict were sewn in 1948 in my opinion.
quote:Originally posted by jljones:quote:Originally posted by konata88:quote:Originally posted by oddball:
Well, some of them are out today.
Time Square (notice the Swastika)
D.C.
Chicago:
Stupid should hurt. I'm waiting to see how much....
The fascinating part is that if Hamas had their way, each and every one of those “supporters” would be rounded up and have their throats cut for general purpose.
Sorta like living in Africa and cheering your support for Ebola.
quote:The Jews have been in Israel since well over a millennium before Christ was born. They have been exiled and returned a number of times. Try as people might, it's their ancestral lands and they aren't going away. 1948 was just one more changing of hands. The Romans, Muslims, nor the crusaders could maintain control of it. To pick some arbitrary date in which it changed hands and say that's the problem is short sighted.
quote:Israel, Our White-House Absurdities, and the Left’s Empire of Lies
The Biden administration is furiously trying to contextualize its past, unsupportable policies that have sown global chaos, especially in the Middle East. But the more it spins, the clearer its culpability.
Does it really believe that the long-agreed-upon U.S. green-lighting of $6 billion in sanctions relief to Iran has had no role in Iran’s terrorist support of Hamas, whether psychological or material or both? Do they think we are that stupid?
Even a first-grader might surmise that if a terrorist state knows that an impending $6-billion bonanza will shortly arrive in its coffers, then it will more readily in the here and now send arms to Hamas—on the logical assumption that those costs soon will be more than covered, while making the additional assumption that the United States is complicit in its own fungible use of sanctions relief cash, and thus not innately hostile to Tehran’s self-professed agenda. In short, Tony Blinken is either a naif, a fool, or to use his words “misinforming”.
These administration's megaphones who deny such fungibility always end up mouthing the same arguments as the lying and murderous theocracy in Tehran.
But then why not—given the Biden-appointed Robert Malley, previously known as Obama’s ISIS advisor (and we remember how that worked out in Iraq), and a self-declared expert on Hamas rapprochement, eagerly accepted the offer to restart the disastrous Iran deal and normalize Iranian-American relations?
And Malley was indeed eagerly at work—until he was stripped of his security clearance for his alleged unlawful dissemination of classified documents, and in addition fell under further scrutiny allegedly for treasonous efforts to insert pro-Iranian activists into the State Department.
What also was behind the initial, natural instincts of the State Department’s “U.S. Office of Palestinian Affairs”? On news of the attacks, our State department in Pavlovian fashion immediately posted: “We urged all sides to refrain from violence and retaliatory attacks. Terror and violence solve nothing.”
Yes, as lots of us predicted, that insane virtue signal would eventually be taken down—but only in response to Americans outraged at its amoral inanity.
Was our government’s first inclination to stop Israel’s counter-responses to systematic Hamas murdering? Should Israelis accept another 800, 1,000, or 2,000 dead women and children in the interest of abiding by the instruction of the American “Office of Palestinian Affairs” to avoid “retaliatory attacks”?
For that matter, does the Biden administration admonish Ukraine to refrain from “retaliatory attacks”—since, in its logic, responding to Putin’s “terror” with Ukrainian counter “violence” would “solve nothing”?
Or is it just Israel, a democratic ally, that deserves these sermons?
Or do they not reflect the embarrassing reality that there is a core Democratic base—the toxic Squad, AOC's Democratic Socialists, the fusion media, and some of the identity politics caucuses—who are Hamas apologists, even if that bankrupt ideology descends into ignoring or condoning the abject slaughter of civilians in their homes?
And are we really to believe, as told, that resumption of hundreds of millions dollars in aid to the Palestinians was also not fungible and used to aid the current murderous agendas of Hamas?
But do not just believe supporters of Israel about that reality.
Instead, read what dissidents in the State Department themselves warned at the time of the dangers of Biden’s resumption of aid to the radical Palestinians: “We assess there is a high risk Hamas could potentially derive indirect, unintentional benefit from U.S. assistance to Gaza. There is less but still some risk U.S. assistance would benefit other designated groups.”
The administration is, of course, back peddling furiously, given its prior appeasement of Iran and Hamas, if not an outright tilt against Israel—again policies that reflected the embarrassing core constituency of the Democratic Party.
Americans should not listen to what Biden’s team now conveniently says, but instead to what it actually does in the upcoming weeks when it is under fire by its base in the new woke Democratic Party, as the Israelis have to go into Gaza, end this toxic death machine, and confront the Hamas global propaganda machine.
A hard rain is soon going to fall abroad.
And the United States better get its house in order, whether defined as standing with its few dependable allies left, securing its own oil and gas supplies, protecting its borders, un-woking and rebooting its suspect military, recalibrating its all too often incompetent and politicized intelligence bureaus—and thus preparing for a world turned upside down.
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