^^^^^

Listen again, I'm pretty sure she's saying "circle jerk".

The Biden DOJ is now indicting people who posted memes in 2016. This is not an exaggeration, the guy literally posted memes like 'vote for Hillary by replying to this tweet' and other nonsense like that. Facing federal indictment and 10 years in the federal pen now. Paying a Russian spy for a fake dossier and lying to a federal judge about evidence for a FISA warrant to sway the election - nothing. Posting a stupid meme - 10 years in prison.


https://twitter.com/mtracey/st.../1354505226720567297

Read the full nonsensical indictment here:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr...ile/1360816/download

If you read the indictment, the Agent goes on and on about her vast investigative experience. Of 3 years! When I had 3 years on the job, I did not even rate driving a new patrol car.
Its amazing to me that what was once the preeminent law enforcement agency in our country has reduced itself to investigating an idiot posting memes to other idiots who believed you could vote with a text.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
No. You were sold a bill of goods that the process was corrupted. If it were, at least some of the lawsuits filed would have succeeded.

Fraud didn't make Trump lose the election. Trump made Trump lose the election.

Now I know a lot of people here aren't going to agree. I don't really care. What I DO care about is that a lot of conservatives are going to check out of the electoral process because of Trump's bullshit, which is going to guarantee the liberals are going to stay in power

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Originally posted by ersatzknarf:

WOW, you missed the point by county mile!

The whole process is now completely corrupted.

How are you going to vote someone out, when they control the vote counting???

What just happened in November?

Is it "fraud" when it's never investigated? I moved from CA to AZ more than two years before this election, I notified CA (the Los Angeles County Registrar of Voters) of my move and simultaneously registered as a resident/voter in AZ, yet months before this election I was sent a questionnaire from Los Angeles asking what language I wanted my ballot sent to me (in ARIZONA) in!

The corruption inherent in ballot harvesting is undeniable, especially since these same ballots haven't been verified by signature comparisons. In CA, the Department of Motor Vehicles automatically registers EVERYONE that obtains a driver's license or state issued identification card, including illegal aliens. Much has been made of the fact that illegal aliens' driver's licenses indicate they don't meet federal standards for legitimacy, BUT nothing has been said about the fact that:
1) All those who receive licenses and ID cards from the state who are ineligible to vote MUST VOLUNTARILY "OPT OUT" (off) the voter registration rolls.
2) CA polling personnel are legally prohibited from asking for ANY ID of those showing up to vote or mailing in ballots.
3) Vote "harvesting" is legal in this state and it's rife with opportunities for fraudulent balloting under the above circumstances.

No "fraud" here, eh? I have a friend that observed voter fraud (he's a retired police sergeant) as a poll watcher and his attempt to report this was negated by those appointed by Democrats. The Attorney General is a hardcore Democrat and he's in charge of the CA Department of Justice, the organization responsible for investigating complaints of voter fraud, that he repeatedly insists he's never received.

I'm a retired cop (as you know) and my family immigrated to Los Angeles in the 1950's, in part because of the corruption they saw firsthand in Chicago (my place of birth). California has become the "new" Chicago politically, and hopes to make the entire country follow in it's footsteps. When they insist we (taxpayers) allow illegal aliens to be counted in the census so that congressional districts will be weighted in their favor, the "fix" couldn't be more obvious. Yes, voter FRAUD is evident, even though those responsible for investigating/prosecuting the offenders have obviously ignored their duty to do so.

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If you read the indictment, the Agent goes on and on about her vast investigative experience. Of 3 years! When I had 3 years on the job, I did not even rate driving a new patrol car.

I had more time on the station toilet than that in my career.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
No. You were sold a bill of goods that the process was corrupted. If it were, at least some of the lawsuits filed would have succeeded.

Fraud didn't make Trump lose the election. Trump made Trump lose the election.

Now I know a lot of people here aren't going to agree. I don't really care. What I DO care about is that a lot of conservatives are going to check out of the electoral process because of Trump's bullshit, which is going to guarantee the liberals are going to stay in power

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Originally posted by ersatzknarf:

WOW, you missed the point by county mile!

The whole process is now completely corrupted.

How are you going to vote someone out, when they control the vote counting???

What just happened in November?

BBMW,

Gonna disagree with you, kind of.

1. I believe fraud did happen, just not on the "massive" scale Trump's team claimed but, just enough in a select few areas.

2. The limited amount of time prevented his team from gathering enough of the right evidence to make a convincing case to SCOTUS.

3. Trump's actions is likely to bring out the fringe elements - on both sides - for 2024.

4. Biden’s actions (and possibly his removal for mental incapacity) will bring out core Republicans in force along with moderate Democrats who just want a job (ie., union members and others who are about to go on unemployment in the next two years.

5. If the first two weeks of Biden are any indication of the next 18 months, there'll be a Republican tidal wave in 2022 just like 1994.

The biggest, I hope, will be tidal wave followed by changes (for 2024) with regards to how the federal elections (legislative and executives branches) which will ensure only those legally allowed to vote do and, an openess of the counting process to possibly include a requirement for live streaming of ALL counting.

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Originally posted by pulicords:. . . I'm a retired cop (as you know) and my family immigrated to Los Angeles in the 1950's, in part because of the corruption they saw firsthand in Chicago (my place of birth). California has become the "new" Chicago politically, and hopes to make the entire country follow in it's footsteps. When they insist we (taxpayers) allow illegal aliens to be counted in the census so that congressional districts will be weighted in their favor, the "fix" couldn't be more obvious. Yes, voter FRAUD is evident, even though those responsible for investigating/prosecuting the offenders have obviously ignored their duty to do so.

So Officer Pulicords, I would like your professional opinion. (I lived in Silicon Valley for close to 4 decades, well know the political machinations of the Bay Area).

What do you think will take out CA first: earthquake, tsunami, meteor, bankruptcy (moral and/or financial)??

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:. . .

1. I believe fraud did happen, just not on the "massive" scale Trump's team claimed but, just enough in a select few areas.

2. The limited amount of time prevented his team from gathering enough of the right evidence to make a convincing case to SCOTUS.

3. Trump's actions is likely to bring out the fringe elements - on both sides - for 2024.

4. Biden’s actions (and possibly his removal for mental incapacity) will bring out core Republicans in force along with moderate Democrats who just want a job (ie., union members and others who are about to go on unemployment in the next two years.

5. If the first two weeks of Biden are any indication of the next 18 months, there'll be a Republican tidal wave in 2022 just like 1994.

The biggest, I hope, will be tidal wave followed by changes (for 2024) with regards to how the federal elections (legislative and executives branches) which will ensure only those legally allowed to vote do and, an openess of the counting process to possibly include a requirement for live streaming of ALL counting.

I might suggest there will also be increasing fractures in our society caused by political and economic turmoils.

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2. The limited amount of time prevented his team from gathering enough of the right evidence to make a convincing case to SCOTUS

This point is worth elaborating on because it comes up often. SCOTUS is not a trial court except in a few very specific situations - it is an appellate court so the "case" one makes to the SCOTUS is that a lower court got something wrong that the SCOTUS should correct. Cases are made in the trial courts and work their way up. The case that people focus on in this context is Texas v. Pennsylvania where one state sued another, which is one of the few cases where a case can be filed and tried in the SCOTUS. That case was dismissed because the court found that Texas did not have standing to challenge Pennsylvania's election process. The basis for this decision has drawn a lot of criticism because it sounds like a hyper-technical way to dodge the issue but it isn't -- standing is a very real and very important doctrine, and based on my reading of the cases it was correct.

That does not mean there isn't a way for SCOTUS to address the issue: one candidate can sue the other. That is what we saw in Bush v. Gore, which challenged how Florida was applying its laws in the 2000 election and that case made it to the SCOTUS in short order. I haven't heard any cogent explanation why Trump did not sue Biden in Pennsylvania on the same grounds as Texas (and other states) tried to, which would have made sense because there is precedent for doing so and it cures the standing issue.

The point here is that the judicial system is equipped to deal with these issues. I can't say whether they failed because of bad tactical decisions, an absence of proof, or because they were baseless. I have not, however, seen any instance where a meritorious claim was rejected by the court due to politics or corruption.

The system is imperfect and there is fraud in every election, no doubt, and we should address those issues head on. But we will never have zero issues and zero fraud so getting enough votes to overcome those things seems like the highest priority. As long as we have elections with razor-thin margins people will have legitimate concerns about their integrity. It's like holding in football - it happens on virtually every play and that isn't going to change. You can complain about it all you want but if you score enough points it doesn't matter.

Holy Schnike

Even the New York Times is begging Dictator Biden to stop it already with all the executive orders:

Ease Up on the Executive Actions, Joe

I’m wondering if they are already starting to get nervous about this causing them to lose the House and Senate in two years?

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Originally posted by Pyker:

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If you read the indictment, the Agent goes on and on about her vast investigative experience. Of 3 years! When I had 3 years on the job, I did not even rate driving a new patrol car.

I had more time on the station toilet than that in my career.

Genius! Getting paid to do your business at work.

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I’m wondering if they are already starting to get nervous about this causing them to lose the House and Senate in two years?

Whether Trump used EOs or not, this many EOs looks like an admission of weakness. After all, if these are such good ideas, why not go to Congress and get them transformed into legislation? Legislation should be more permanent and indicates that there's broad support among the voters, right?

somebody please hide his pen

They are weak. This is how an illegitimate ruler behaves.

That doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is when Trump signed an EO, the ink wasn’t wet on it by the time the first lawsuit already had an injunction attached. Bidet is seemingly going unchecked and ruling like a third world potentate.

I saw Mick Mulvaney on FOX yesterday. If I understood correctly, there are Executive Orders & then there are Executive Memos. The first carries an obligation by the affected agency/department to act upon it while the Memo is an “expression” of a wish by the Executive. Since we know that most of the agencies/departments are filled with swamp creatures, his wish is their command for the most part. Again if I understood him correctly, no one is advertising what Biden is doing with Memos, but he’s churning them out at roughly the same rate as the Orders. His example was a Memo sent to the OMB letting them know that most of the bills they would be analyzing would contain “climate change” or “equity” items. They were directed to consider that either of these type items would be a wash. Whatever expense was involved would be offset by some “benefit” from the bill.

After I read the referenced NYT article, I made the mistake of reading some of the comments. Most of the commenters want more EOs, not less.
Nauseating. Full on support for a dictatorship.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
After I read the referenced NYT article, I made the mistake of reading some of the comments. Most of the commenters want more EOs, not less.
Nauseating. Full on support for a dictatorship.

Dictatorships are good . . . as long as you are part of the "in crowd". Problem is, it takes only a hiccup to become part of the "out crowd".

That is why there is no reasoning with someone who doesn’t realize this.

A long while back (during the O'Zippy days) I had been reminded that executive orders were written to prioritize or clarify how the administration wanted to carry out existing laws , and NOT intended to subvert, reverse, or create new laws around congress. HUGE difference. This is why we were upset back in 2008-16.

No one pressed the issue then, and congress does not seem to have any appetite to contest this now

Are you kidding? Congressweasels love EOs. Come election time they can run as cheerleaders for the EOs that accomplish what congressweasels can't accomplish in Congress OR they can run against whatever the EO says. Either way, the only person actually taking responsibility for what an EO does is whoever issues the EO.