They search your vehicle, find nothing, then arrest you seeing that you’re with your family? Cop was being a douche. He should’ve just written you a ticket for running a red and sent you on your way.

And yes, I support police 99% of the time, just not this time.

Both are in the right, each from his perspective. Unfortunately for you.

I realize there are laws concerning situations like this, and everyone always reads all the applicable laws for not only their home state but every state they drive through...sarcasm alert.

It's been a long time since I took driver's ed and the only test I've taken was for my initial license at 16yo. I don't recall ever officially being taught the proper protocol for a traffic stop. Most of us here seem to have figured it out through personal experience/tribal knowledge, but when you watch stuff like Live PD you quickly realize there are a lot of normal folks out there who have no idea how to handle police encounters.

I've always known the keep you hands visible and don't reach for anything part, but I had a similar situation where I didn't pull over right away and the officer told me when they initiate the stop they feel it's safe and will tell you to move if something changes.

Not to make light of your situation, but....

One thing is for certain - You will NEVER Live This Down with your 11 YO & 7 YO kids, AND your Wife!

After it's all over, you will be subjected to a lifetime of 'Tongue-in-Cheek' ribbing. Years down the road you'll all still be laughing until somebody has to call a time-out to catch their breath, wipe their eyes clear and get up off the floor after being doubling over from the belly cramps!

Hey remember when Dad got arrested on the way to Cedar Point!

He Dad, the 'FastLane' Pass only works INSIDE the Park!

It's Gonna Be Legendary....Funniest Family Vacation Story Ever!

If memory serves, we were taught in driver’s ed (50 years ago) to pull over in the first place it was safe to do so. I guess that was bad info.

And, yeah, officer seems like a badge heavy shitbag.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
They search your vehicle, find nothing, then arrest you seeing that you’re with your family? Cop was being a douche. He should’ve just written you a ticket for running a red and sent you on your way.

And yes, I support police 99% of the time, just not this time.

Unfortunately, many times policy and administration make simply writing a ticket very difficult.
As noted by someone else prior a vehicle failing to yield no matter the speed (and in this instance over 1 mile) generates a lot of paperwork due to possibly liabilities from all around.
Not saying for sure but the officer may be a douche or he may not have had a choice.

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Originally posted by arfmel:
If memory serves, we were taught in driver’s ed (50 years ago) to pull over in the first place it was safe to do so. I guess that was bad info.

And, yeah, officer seems like a badge heavy shitbag.

Several years ago there was someone impersonating a police officer in Atlanta and a Georgia State Patrol officer on the Atlanta news said to hit your flashers as soon as an officer hits their lights to acknowledge the officer and then drive to a safe, well-lit area to pull over.

I have a feeling your attorney will get this dismissed. Shame you have to waste money on shit like this. You would think with the amount of tourist dollars spent in the area they would not be so ticket/arrest happy.
I once go lit up for speeding 4 mph over in Ohio and pulled into a parking lot after about 10 seconds of the initial light up. The cop was not too happy I pulled into the parking lot even though I was doing it for "his" safety. Some are just badge heavy, it happens everywhere.

You have to ask "what justice was really served here?".
Sounds like the cop was just inexperienced or piling on brownie points.
Tons of illegals doing everything under the sun to us and arrest a family guy for driving a mile.
He could of just said "pull over sooner next time".

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Originally posted by ridgerat:
You think too much. Just pull over. The cop is behind you with lights on, and everyone in the world knows you’re both there.

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Watch Live PD for a few nights and you'll see the causes and some results of the scenario in question.

Sometimes people don't pull over because they are genuinely looking for a "safe place," and they always get chastised by the officer. Granted, I don't recall seeing anyone get arrested just for that.

Often though, people don't pull over for a long time, and it turns out the reason was they were trying to hide something illegal in the vehicle, drugs, alcohol, a weapon, etc.

I've never seen an instance where a person drove for more than about 30 seconds and it worked out to their advantage.

thanks for posting this , I learned something.

I got pulled over by a sheriff deputy on a rural Iowa road (going opposite direction, saw him u-turn so I just pulled over. only 2 cars around for miles).

He walked up on the passenger side to start the ticket, and eventually asked if he could sit down in the passenger seat. So he wrote the ticket sitting next to me. But he did knock it down a few MPH so it wouldn't get reported back to my NC drivers license.

My Brother-in-law is a Fairfax Police Officer. He acts as a training officer, and is always very courteous during a traffic stop. However, when he has a articulable suspicion, that something is not "right" or the behavior is "suspicious" he will still be courteous, but will not put his welfare at risk, and call for back-up, etc.

He's even had people that he has stopped video the entire encounter with their phone, all the while he is courteous BUT remaining cautious, with a back-up unit, and even a shift supervisor rolling up. Once in a while, these videos make it into a court case - brought against my brother-in-law. The Judges always commend him for his courtesy and professionalism, and thank him for the service he provides to the community.

It only takes one time, when he drops his guard, or does not act on his training, and instincts - for someone to pull a weapon, and well ... that's it - my niece and nephew have lost their father.

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Originally posted by ridgerat:
You think too much. Just pull over. The cop is behind you with lights on, and everyone in the world knows you’re both there.

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Even the distracted driver with their nose buried in their device? The driver under the influence attracted to the flashing lights? The individual who gets disoriented from those newer LED flashers and misjudges distance?

LE gets paid to take chances? Great. Have at it.

I don't and I don't think the guy that uses an over abundance of caution so they are their family don't get killed should get hassled.

You will be out some cash, but it is not going anywhere.
As for being arrested, once the cuffs go on, thats an arrest. You are in custody and Miranda applies.
When signaled to stop, do so. Right there. In the middle of the lane if need be. A pro will position his patrol car to protect not only himself but your vehicle as well. Often, if people stopped in an unsafe area, after getting their papers, I would direct them to a safer area. Most people recognized the need and did so without complaint.
As for the rest of the response, my guess is it was broadcast by the first cop as someone failing to stop when signaled and this escalated the risk.
One other thing to consider: what is going on on the outskirts of Cedar Point these days? Not excusing the response, but that might factor in.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
As for being arrested, once the cuffs go on, thats an arrest.

Negative, Ghost Rider. Not always.

Handcuffs =/= Arrest

Detained =/= Arrested

Someone can be briefly detained for further investigation (based on reasonable suspicion that crime may be afoot), and sometimes cuffed if justified by the situation (generally involving officer safety), without being arrested (based on probable cause that a crime actually was committed).

Cuffing someone who is merely detained is usually accompanied by an explicit statement that they are only detained and not under arrest, and like any Terry stop/investigative detention, it must be reasonably brief and for a specific purpose backed by articulable facts.

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You are in custody and Miranda applies

Correct.

Handcuffs = Custody.

I will tell you from experience that police in Ohio have little tolerance for people that are not from that state. Its lucky you didn't have Michigan plates or you'd likely had your vehicle confiscated.

I get why the OP did what he did. I wouldn't do it but I understand it...kind of.
Cop sees that there are 4 people in a car that isn't pulling over. Yeah, 2 are kids - he doesn't know that. When he DOES know that and hears why it happened the way it did, a ticket should have been written and let that be that.

A 35 MPH road isn't a high speed parkway with no shoulder. The danger is minimal. That's only 10 MPH faster than a residential neighborhood and this road has an extra lane the neighborhood street doesn't.
I've stopped before right away and been told, "Pull up here to this parking lot to get out of the road."
A good call would have been to have the wife dial 911 and inform them of why the car isn't stopping. They can contact the officer and relay that the cop wants you over NOW.
The arrest was chickenshit in my not a cop or lawyer mind. Don't know law or policy in Ohio.

When the lights come on you pull as far to the right as possible and stop. Assume the police officer knows the job as well as you know yours and has reasons for doing things the way they do whether or not you’re aware of or agree with them. If they then want you to move to another spot they will tell you via loudspeaker. Any argument you have should be made in court.

It’s been this way forever. How did everyone not get the memo?