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Originally posted by parabellum:
What do her looks have to do with it? What would it change about this incident if she happened to look like Ernest Borgnine?

Apparently if you have model good looks and like guns and the shooting sports there's more liability.

Ridiculous

Let's just leave the officcer's appearance out of this discussion, please.

Calm and under control. Gave good verbal commands, kept her overall awareness up and took care of business.

No wavering as she shot until the threat ended, held control until he was cuffed, and then right back in the game to clear the truck.

I'm sure someone will be along to tell me all she did wrong but that is one of the cleanest shootings I've seen.

23 year old. Has the making of a cops cop if this doesn't derail her.

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Originally posted by mark_a:
Calm and under control. Gave good verbal commands, kept her overall awareness up and took care of business.

No wavering as she shot until the threat ended, held control until he was cuffed, and then right back in the game to clear the truck.

I'm sure someone will be along to tell me all she did wrong but that is one of the cleanest shootings I've seen.

23 year old. Has the making of a cops cop if this doesn't derail her.

I agree. Clear thinking, in control throughout, solid tactics and decision making, great gun skills, kept her cool throughout. I would want her on my team.

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Originally posted by corsair:
She's very attractive, unfortunately her good looks as a model, her historical relation to the police dept (father is one of the execs of LAPD union) and enthusiasm for competitive tactical shooting will be used against her by the assailant's family. Their lawyer is already chirping the narrative that the officer was a disciple of the 'warrior cop' ethos.

yep. she wanted attention. now she's got it.

some people are slow to learn the perils of social media. i hope it works out for her.

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I hope the last two shots don't get her in trouble!! Unfortunately LA is full of scumbag Lawyers
Good Luck Toni

You guys get the fact that the deceased family’s dirt bag attorney would be going after something, anything, right? Now, being trained, a role model for shooters, and professional is a liability? Come on now.

If she was untrained and a slob, they would be going after that. If she was middle of the road trained, they would be going after that. It’s the dirt bag attorney looking for ANYTHING to get a larger out of court settlement from the city. She could have shot this guy in front of a bus load of nuns and it wouldn’t have changed the outcome.

It’s a good shoot.

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Originally posted by jljones:
You guys get the fact that the deceased family’s dirt bag attorney would be going after something, anything, right? Now, being trained, a role model for shooters, and professional is a liability? Come on now.

Yep. They're always going to make noise. The irony of the whole thing is they're all over the "rapid fire" stuff from social media but ignore the much more measured pace of fire from the OIS.

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Originally posted by 104RFAST:
I hope the last two shots don't get her in trouble!! Unfortunately LA is full of scumbag Lawyers
Good Luck Toni

They won't. One of the things you really loose in video is distance. That dude is a lot closer than he looks (look at the number of steps it takes them to get to him or the relative length of the car bumper piece. Once she starts shooting and he tries to get back up, still holding the knife, he's still a threat. If he gets traction under him, he closes that distance extremely quickly and potentially creates a greater risk to the bystanders as the officer is forced to react to the closing suspect by moving and shoot.

LA may be "full of scumbag lawyers", but their police department shoots enough people that I'm sure they know how to investigate and defend themselves.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What do her looks have to do with it? What would it change about this incident if she happened to look like Ernest Borgnine?

We LIKE Ernest Borgnine - a homely, honest-to-goodness, lived-in face that made him unmistakable for over fifty year's-worth of movies. What a character!!

Could you possibly have missed my point any more than you did? I don't think so.

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LA may be "full of scumbag lawyers", but their police department shoots enough people that I'm sure they know how to investigate and defend themselves.

Back in 2010 I was took a class from Scott Reitz, he made the statement that LAPD averaged about 120 or so officer involved shoots a year.

Toni McBride is an accomplished competitive shooter. She does alot of training, and is quite good.

To quote the Templar knight from Indiana Jones: He chose poorly!"

I see nothing wrong with her use of deadly force in this situation. Even when it's justified, you will still get sued. Even if she had never been in any magazines, nor posted a single YouTube video, she would likely still get sued.

Here's her shooting a stage:

https://youtu.be/s3RF8J4mMRg

That dirtbag saw a young woman, made an assumption, and completely misread the situation.

Good for her.

The reality is that in virtually every single Police shooting there is going to be a lawsuit no matter how rightious that shooting is. It doesn't really matter. Lawyers look at the government and see big pockets filled with a lot of money. So unless she posted something stupid like "Kill em all and let God sort them out"on social media, I see no problem with this shooting. As far as her attending Taran Butlers school, again,so what? Many of us have attended schools all over the country with Tier 1 trainers. Does that make us crazed warriors just looking to kill someone? While I expect the attorney to make that arguement, I also expect the State to expose that for what it is when they defend an Officer in court or in the court of public opinion. This Officer will be just fine. And as we say in Chicago to Officers when we write up their awards when they do an exceptional job, Kudo's for a Job Well Done!

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Originally posted by Orive 8:

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LA may be "full of scumbag lawyers", but their police department shoots enough people that I'm sure they know how to investigate and defend themselves.

Back in 2010 I was took a class from Scott Reitz, he made the statement that LAPD averaged about 120 or so officer involved shoots a year.

Maybe thirty years ago.

An LA Times article says 115 in 1990 and 26 last year.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What do her looks have to do with it? What would it change about this incident if she happened to look like Ernest Borgnine?

We LIKE Ernest Borgnine - a homely, honest-to-goodness, lived-in face that made him unmistakable for over fifty year's-worth of movies. What a character!!

Could you possibly have missed my point any more than you did? I don't think so.

Sorry, Boss.

Good shoot.

Dirtbag's family will try to find anything, i mean, anything to sue for. it's what shyster lawyers do. they will drag her through this for years. my last one lasted 6 years. we won. it would've been cheaper to pay the family to go away but i am glad we fought it till the end. another one is starting now and the city said we will fight it all the way.

This is a training video on what TO DO. Excellent verbal commands, to both bystanders and perp. Excellent communication with with dispatch and her partner officers. She even lowers her muzzle when the other officer crosses in front of her to cuff/search the suspect. She stays calm through all of it, and then immediately assists her fellow officers with the next task once perp is secure. Textbook perfect.

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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:
The reality is that in virtually every single Police shooting there is going to be a lawsuit no matter how rightious that shooting is. It doesn't really matter.

That is not even close to being true. At my job we have a decent number of shootings, and Of the good ones, only about 10% ever have a civil case filed, most of those get thrown out in qualified immunity hearings, and the rest get a trial.

Of the ones with a questionable element, the percentage is IRRC about 100%. The questionable element cases have been about 2% of the total in my experience.

It will be interesting to see if this one goes to trial on the civil case. The case will be about whether or not the last 2 shots were necessary, and the respondent will need to do a lot of education on the dynamics of stress decision making.

Maybe the chances of a lawsuit are affected by region and culture.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Maybe the chances of a lawsuit are affected by region and culture.

It must be. Because everything here gets a lawsuit.